Anne

[Anne]

Here is the list of what an IRS Church must have….the first one is distinct legal existence, thus you must comply to legal statutes, ordinances, and codes – unlike a lawful ministry

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations/definition-of-church

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Definition of church | Internal Revenue Service

Discussion of the difference between churches and religious orgnaizations.

[Anne]

From my comprehension and study, you do not want to “register” as a 508c1a…..other PMA’s have done this and it has caused issues down the road. It’s been awhile since I have reviewed this since we did our PMA a few years ago now…. but this is how I see it and maybe the easiest way to explain…. you are filling out THEIR paperwork to get THEIR STATUS…. this puts you in their jurisdiction because they are then they grant you a “508c1a CHURCH” status….so if you want to play in their system, yes you can, but there can be implications. So you thus are creating an ALL CAPS entity to operate in their system. You can do everything you need to without doing this…. it’s all a choice in how you want to operate and what makes you comfortable and if you can stand on your square when necessary.

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[Anne]

My land patent was free because I did it myself…

[Anne]

There are ways to open bank accounts without the EIN and other ways to correct property taxes without doing a 508c1a…. i haven’t done it but am learning about this and know people (second hand) that private bank

[Anne]

So when you request a determination to be a church to get an EIN… you then just created the ALL CAPS entity, it is an option and then you can be tax exempt in such a way…. but you would also have to “conform” to the laws of a Church… it is not necessarily private anymore….It’s their definition of Church and whatever laws they create or change would apply.

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[Anne]

I know this is about PMA’s but it is just going over the law for 508c1a which a PMA cannot be a 508c1a it is very thorough to know what you are accepting as a 508c1a

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[Anne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9GBSe5vYkU

[Anne]

Not easy in Michigan… it is a bit state dependent from what I comprehend. We have had our land patent recorded since 2022 and still working on trying getting them to correct errors. I feel like we are getting so close, I keep getting insight but no resolution as of yet.

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