
St. Germaine oats and fruit
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December 8, 2024 at 1:25 pm #403838
PennyParticipant@barre or others with thoughts.
Why is it said that St. Germaine only ate fruit and oats?
The fruit I understand, through the dietary preferences of the. Essenes and fruit being living, unharming food.
However, why is it said that the only other thing he ate was oats? Is there some symbolism I am missing here, or some process oats helps with in the body ? Why are oats so special to the master? Oats are unharming food too of course, but why not walnuts or millet etc as well?
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December 8, 2024 at 2:23 pm #403840
ElizaMemberI love this question Penny! If I may – where are you referencing St. Germaine’s diet from and…was it like his original embodiment?
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December 8, 2024 at 2:50 pm #403841
PennyMember@eliza The Red Lion. I do think it said at one point he partook of butter as well. Since it is such a highly symbolic book I am thinking there is some symbolism there beyond just a dietary preference. In this book, it was the embodiment that was present during the French Revolution. A quick google search also indicates that his consumption of oatmeal is somewhat common knowledge.
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December 9, 2024 at 10:19 pm #403899
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December 9, 2024 at 3:25 am #403865
KevMemberI actually don’t know who St. Germaine is.. but given that he ate oats as a natural and unharming food (and beneficial, presumably), along with fruit.. hmmm, going on instinct here and my own experience — Oats are a soothing food, and if you break it down, they’re full of mucilage (the stuff that makes them sticky and goopy when you cook them).. Mucilage is nourishing and soothing, especially to mucus membranes and the digestive tract.. Interesting that you reference walnuts too, because I went through a period when I was younger when I was big into oatmeal with walnuts, as that was an incredibly nourishing food for me that I craved and was drawn to instinctually..
Unripened oats seeds (called “milky oats”, as they are full of a milky-white sap sorta substance) are used medicinally.. So, lemme reference 2 herbal books I got, see what’s there specifically.. One thing that comes to mind is Red Elm bark (or Slippery Elm), which is also soothing and can be used to make a nourishing porridge when people are really sick..
Referencing the classic “The Herb Book” by John Lust from 1972.. Oats are particularly useful in convalescence, especially with gastro and urinary inflammation.. a soothing substance.. it’s also a nervine and antispasmodic.. Doesn’t reference “milky oats” extract specifically, but as a nervous system balancer, that rings a bell.. Slippery Elm is also referenced by Lust in this way — a soothing gastro and urinary medicine..
Referencing “The Way of Herbs” by Michael Tierra.. — “a tonic to increase strength of mind, spirit and body.. useful against depression.. nerve tonic, stimulant, antispasmodic.. sexual tonic.. The whole fresh oat picked while still green and milky should be used”.. So he’s referencing the “milky oats” there.. (And what Tierra says about Slippery Elm, as a parallel: “..an important survival food. The famous slippery elm gruel or mucilage can be taken as food and gives strength when needed. It will usually stay down even when all else causes nausea and vomiting”..
But also, just going back to my own personal experience — even as a young lad, oats were a favorite and I was very resonant and drawn to them, and always experienced them as a strongly nourishing, soothing, and grounding food, that was very grounding, centering, calming, and soul-soothing..
I could come up with a few example of those types of foods, but one really jumps out in particular.. Even though it’s disparaged and demonized — soy and soymilk (and tofu).. I went through an intense period of life where soy, and in particular soymilk, was profounding nourishing for me.. Don’t care what anyone says about it (those that are always screaming about estrogen, or whatever).. At the end of a work day, as an example, I could sit with a carton of carob-flavored soymilk and feel like the life was being infused back into my body and spirit.. “Nourishing” is a word that falls short.. I no longer have that relationship with it, but I do love edamame (and always found tofu to be an intensely nourishing and satisfying food, though no so much these days).. But the interesting thing about soy is its complex chemistry and all the various things that can be derived from it.. One of it’s raw properties is the fact that when turned into a milk and extracted, it will “coat” whatever it comes into contact with.. Glasses gets this coating and need to be properly washed, not just rinsed, and if you’ve ever heated it in a pot, the stainless steel gets a coating on it that is hard to get off if you let it dry.. Same thing with the mucilage in oats..
So, something about these mucilage-like or goopy substances that have a nourishing quality.. It would be very interesting to hear the history of soymilk through the lens of Classical Chinese Medicine.. afterall, they developed it, and it was a big part of their culture and diet.. I bet it’s described as nourishing, cooling, and a yin tonic, that soothes heat..
Anyway, a bit of a tangent.. just some thoughts..
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December 9, 2024 at 4:26 pm #403884
ElizaMemberSounds like fourth phase water almost…ez water – gel
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December 9, 2024 at 10:38 pm #403900
PennyMemberHe’s THE alchemist of all alchemists. Immortal and mysterious, made many appearances down through history.
🙂
I like soy too. It’s the gmo versions that are problematic, but good old organic, especially sprouted or fermented is just fine. I eat a lot of tempeh it’s a favorite.
When people say soy is too estrogenic it’s like saying fruit is making people diabetic…. plastics and conventional dairy are the problem estrogens and chemicals and white sugars are the diabetes influencers.
I don’t know about you, but I am so bored with the silly extreme ideas around food these days. I just can’t with the youtube faux nutrition anymore. There is one cardiologist who claims defensive chemicals in veggies make people sick. That’s so dumb. What can one expect from a cardiologist though? Not much.
Interesting thoughts on the oats too. I use slippery elm for sufferers of stomach ulcers. I never considered making a meal out of it. I wonder if it’s tasty.
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December 9, 2024 at 11:04 pm #403902
KevMemberLove me some tempeh, but I can’t afford the organic, and def not certified non-GMO.. but I do have a good source of organic tofu, if I choose it (but also, non-GMO??)..
Yeah, all the dietary stuff is nonsense, especially the defensive chemicals in plants.. Um, plants are meant to be food and medicine for humans.. If not, why do they uptake various minerals and elements and alchemize them into usable nutrients and vitamins for us??.. If not meant to be eaten, then why that??.. Lol.. And plants as medicine would then be out of the question as well.. 100’s of chemicals in some plants, which act synergistically in our bodies.. but nope, not meant to be ingested.. clown world.. 🤡
Personally, I’m sick of everything on the internet.. Very little I can tolerate at this point, especially those with the attitude of “you’re doing spirituality wrong”.. and that’s just to start.. and I can’t stand anyone saying shit without anything to back it up and everyone hitting the “I believe” button.. That’s everyone at this point — all running programs, and people who say they’re smart, or “truthers”, gobbling it up.. Dogma is dogma..
..or not actually explaining shit when you talk about it, or go on about it, like you have some info. to share, but in the end, they don’t..
I hear it all the time that the internet is “all human knowledge from all time” or somesuch.. No it’s not.. It’s disinformation, a goose chase if you’re lucky, and you won’t find what you’re looking for, just B.S. and self-described “influencers” trying to influence and be famous, or whatever.. I see very little, if any, positive or benevolent intent.. Just nonsense at this point.. I don’t even look for anything anymore, unless it’s really really really simple and straightforward.. There is *no* detail or nuance in anything you can search for.. always a useless goose chase, and I’ve learned to spot that in about 1 second (or know to not even try to look), along with anyone talking nonsense, which is everybody.. Lol.. 🤡
Okay, back to oats…. Lol..
I got some slippery elm powder myself.. was thinking about making a bit of porridge, but don’t want to use it all up.. maybe a little bit though, just to see how it tastes as a food.. probably bland, like tree bark.. lol..
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December 10, 2024 at 7:58 pm #403929
DanielMemberThe man people refer to as Saint Germain actually always introduced himself as “The Count Of Saint Germain”. That was the only name he ever gave. He was encountered across Europe over the course of a century or more. He had been to Persia and is even rumored to have appeared in the United States during the revolution. He always appeared to be around 40 years old and didn’t appear to age. He was an astounding conversationalist. He was wise and educated in nearly every subject. He was extremely wealthy but no one knew how. People thronged to be in his company. He was said to be an alchemist and knew the secret of the Philosophers Stone. He spoke many languages fluently. We know he was real in some way because people who are known to be actual historical figures wrote about meeting him and described him. Voltaire said of the count that he was a man who never dies and knows everything.
New Age mythology has sort of inducted the Count into the ranks of the ascended masters, and people generally just call him Saint Germain. (Although he is not canonized by the Church and isn’t a saint).
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December 15, 2024 at 11:56 pm #404204
PennyMemberContemplating the word Saint and St Germaine
I would argue he is, in fact, a saint in the way St Micheal is a saint. St Micheal is, of course, an archangel so why indeed would we apply the term saint to this cosmic being?
The Bible seems to indicate a holy teaching role for sainthood, and this is why St Micheal holds this title. I do believe this applies to St Germaine as well, as he most certainly has a holy teaching role in relation to us. We should ask ourselves; what then is *holy*? To be holy, is to be in service to divinity. St Germaine is most certainly this.
I don’t believe that the Catholic Church can pick who is a saint and who is not, for surely there are many unrecognized holy teachers who have walked alongside us. In addition there are other strains of various religions with their own recognized saints as well.
I am unendingly grateful for the blessed presence and assistance of St Germaine during our struggles to reach what we will inevitably become. I am comfortable to refer to him as saint.
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December 9, 2024 at 11:08 am #403873
MikeOrganizerGreat question! I have wondered why as well! I hope @barre has an answer here but he got me into groats with raw butter and dried fruit. One of my fav winter meals! So wholesome and nourishing for my soul 🙂
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December 9, 2024 at 5:28 pm #403889
KevMemberOh my lord, I love me some whole oat groats.. I was big into whole grain berries/groats back in the day.. was real big on making salads from whole Spelt berries, which I’d toss with nuts, dried or fresh fruit, whatever veg or onion or whatever.. So delish..
But shoot, cooked oat groats then sauteed with butter & dried fruit?!.. Lord have mercy.. 🙂
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December 9, 2024 at 8:22 pm #403896
MikeOrganizerone thing I love to do is grind them slowly into a powder-like consistency and then simmer in raw milk (or coconut milk if I’m feeling tropical) adding raw butter as it goes, almost like a risotto. Finish with toasted nuts, dried berries, a bit of maple syrup and another dollop of raw butter and boom, meal for the day is served 🙂
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