Spirit Science

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

I’ve had 3 notable personal Mandela experiences recently, involving people I personally know. In each case, I have a continuity of memory with these other people in real life, either several years ago or just several months ago… And these other people have zero memory of it at all. The other people were interacting with me independently, too .. it wasn’t a group memory, just myself and one other person at a time. This is a cluster of experiences within 1-2 weeks at an intensity that I haven’t experienced before. I just get caught off guard as I interact with others and then boom! run into the Mandala effect without any warning or expectation. Sigh…

Discussion

[Eliza]

Interesting! Makes me think of this 6 min and 45 seconds into this book review: collective memory…https://youtu.be/swXtKiLgGtQ?si=ssTUq6huwyRTAHK8

I think these experiences could be representative of a story…path…perhaps?

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

Eliza, I haven’t heard of this possibility or idea before! But!!!! Boy does it resonate. I have no idea what this indicates about me, but for many years, I have felt as if I have the most solid continuity in tracking reality, the strongest memory recall. This speaker’s words about how “everything is very whispy and uncertain” is how I would describe most of the other folks in my life… And a close friend almost a decade ago was shocked at how easily I could recall entire statements and conversations that they knew in a vague sense had occurred but could never recite. It is an odd type of disorientation for me when a powerful-enough incident occurs. I’ve always interpreted egregious, strong examples as timeline jumping. I can move through timelines and remember a lot across multiples. I have one memory in which I was conscious during a timeline jump as it happened.

As far as meaning in the pattern? If that is what your last sentence refers to…? I’ll have to contemplate that. Nothing struck me in terms of a coherent storyline…yet…

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[Michelle]

That’s wild!
I’m reminded of some of my own almost opposite personal experiences, wherein I suddenly run into a bunch of new people in a space that I have been scouring and frequenting for years. And they’re like, I’ve always been here! And I’m like… no you haven’t. lol

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

Hi!! Have you developed a theory of what is going on? Have you researched timelines? I think there is a lot of discussion about timelines that I want to avoid. For example a lot of “sales” types discuss timeline jumping on purpose for personal gain… But one very serious researcher caught my attention and really gave me some confidence in the concept. It’s been a few years. I’ll try to look her and her organization up again. The organization was collecting antidotes from all over the world of material objects disappearing and re- appearing and other timeline events. Have you discovered any information out there?

Ann-Marie

[Michelle]

No, I really have zero groundwork to understand it.

I sort have a feeling that I may be changing resonance and so, people are “popping” up within that bandwidth that I wouldn’t have perceived before.

Ofc that’s just my in the moment spout off without ever really researching or asking the questions. Really fascinating phenomena, though

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

I found the source that has influenced me the most about these experiences specifically. Here is a recent video (I would have been listening to her several years ago) and her website is called realityshifters.com. A link of her homepage takes you to an uncensored collection of personal antidotes from her listeners… I find that some are more compelling to me than others..she also is a leader of an organization that focuses on the science behind the Mandela effect. She has a science background of some sort. Her basic premise is that the “spooky” phenomenon seen at quantum scales is possible and happening at the scale of human perception and experience (at least in recent times). https://youtu.be/1PW8o5umT7I?feature=shared

[Michelle]

I don’t typically follow theories or explanations 🙂 I find that it interrupts my conscious exploration of what is- sort of the adult version of Waldorf education hahaha
Although I did find a lot of imaginative exploration happening while I listened to this woman- I imagined that there could be many layers of my Self and all of them having some form of Free Will, and depending upon our collective alignment we would experience bigger or smaller shifts of reality.
What comes to mind is that we will experience them to the degree to which we ourselves are perhaps not aligned fully or wholly. Not a judgement or bad thing, as the nose is always the first part of us to enter a room (lol) or a toe, whatever, and that is completely natural. We can’t always keep all of us in the same room/reality at the exact same instant. And so it is completely natural that some parts of ourselves will be here or there, and memories shared between them.
Cheers!

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

Do you view human beings as particle based material objects or wave forms existing in multiple dimensions… Not because of a temporary flaw (implied without judgement of course) but how do you view the structure of human being-ness intrinsically? My understanding of AV reality spirit science is that it would be 100% in alignment with multidimensional human existence as the de facto natural state of normalcy. Do you follow the theories and explanations of Alfa Vedic’s strongly articulated views of reality? I’m trying to connect the various dots in your participation here plus the words you wrote which appear to contradict AV podcast discussion points, specifically wave form mechanics and a fluid view of reality as the creation of our minds, hence allowing for deviation in individual participation. If we are pure material, then it might be judged as better if all of our material stayed closely together in the imaginary time-space matrix. If we are wave forms slowed down into solid illusions, then different individuals would contain the potential for different magnitudes of multidimensionality. (It has nothing to do with being scattered. And everything to do with having sufficient creative power to override the collective background consensus reality. Manifestation is just a power leverage/ power balance sheet game between self, groups and collective. If we are pure material matter, then only the collective dream would exist (at best– that level is mostly automatic programming). The issue with being an individual who is a powerful wave form creator who is scattered is that one isn’t capable of interpreting basic immediate facts in the local environment accurately, — such as decisions about medical treatments as one example)…much less multiple dimensions at once). I’m grateful that you have no judgement! I don’t either, just confusion at how you integrate your wide-ranging perspectives, if indeed you do follow Alfa Vedic’s offered beliefs as a rough starting point to flesh out your own truth. 🙂

Cheers! It’s a gorgeous fresh sunny day here, I hope you have some amazing Earth energy where you are, too!

[Michelle]

I don’t know, friend 🙂 I tend not to follow theories and to participate more in active imagination of my experience.

If you’re taking about the nose in the door analogy- it’s just an analogy 😉 our various bodies can exist in many dimensions, probably, and I think I probably experience things differently in different densities and as I move through them, not to mention have verifying levels of awareness of any of them.

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

Okie dokie! Sounds like you are having a great time! 😊

[Ari]

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[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

Ari~ I am renewing my fascination with spirals, (after the tropical astrology podcast not long ago) including this idea that time unfolds in a spiral format. I love your stories, they both kind of relay the same information, don’t they? From two different angles! I have focused on spiritual healing for a long time. When I first heard that healing occurs in a spiral, that was so validating! And it would make perfect sense if time was escorting us around in that pattern to begin with! Is there a source of wisdom that you have found to continue exploring that idea about spiraling time? Does it relate to the twisting of a toroidal field?

I had a very surreal trip out of my body and I recall just colliding with knowledge effortlessly. It seemed like the entire world was communicating to me. I continue to have vestiges of that, some extremely practical, like when my daughter’s kitten jumped out a window accidentally and we looked for her for 48 hours straight. I was able to interpret symbols from my phone (after asking for clues) and from the natural and human- crafted environment, to hone in on the yard-space where we did find her! Whew! But during the aforementioned out of body period, I experienced that everything I thought or did instantly returned to me. And I could see that happening as a torus shaped pattern of movement that was very rapid. I was sketching diagrams and jotting down notes and excitedly showing them to others… I also had lots of personal insights too, unspeakably painful… When people talk about psychotropics I wonder if it is similar. But it was hard to be a regular person at the same time, I literally had a job interview and was offered the job! And I don’t know how I drove my car… none of this trip was intended or instigated with any type of substance use… so I fought my way back into a grounded embodied state again through sheer willpower. I value the insights I have from that wild ride, but I wouldn’t want to be that high vibe awake again during this lifetime, nor in any physical environment as dense as this world.

I bumped into a mention of future memories *somewhere* 🤔 recently..hmmm..sounds very interesting to experience inside one’s own skin….I believe your description and Im pretty sure I’ve not experienced that myself.

[Ari]

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[Eliza]

Anne-Marie 🙂 I’ve been catching-up on your musings. you are so very poetic!

So to add to this thread re: #mandala effect (and narrative seeding for those that can explore and return to center) – this is a Christian “God” informed Mandala creator

I’m not a mandala sort of person but I do think everyone’s memory seems to be compiled in various speciality model creations…I’ve not figured mine out! Perhaps that’s why “the buried giant”

Was too terrifying for me to finish…perhaps

So this creator made a post a month ago that I can finally relate to (since I didn’t grow up watching movies I’m prob not his target demographic) but the Truman show as a concept is endlessly interesting for me as I consider my interactions with online personalities (and communities) in faraway lands…

https://youtu.be/o8kEooG8nJY

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

I really enjoyed that video! Thank you!! I absolutely love analyses like this and eat it up like jam on great bread. I’ve never seen the Truman Show but have heard of it (as insight into reality) countless times. A fun tidbit for me was seeing the button, “How’s it going to end?” I know that button from Truthstream Media on YT. I didn’t know it’s origin. But those two are film buffs and discuss themes in movies, including The Truman Show, pretty consistently.

To not be a Mandela person, does that mean that absolutely none of the Mandela effects that are widely identified with society-wide resonate with you at all? It’s funny. I had literally my own Mandela experience long before I had heard the term, remembering his (Mandela’s) death in prison and then having my world rocked in a very deep way when suddenly he was alive again. I had no context, just pure personal experience of that, and then later was introduced to the societal narrative around it.

I have extremely strong, detailed and consistent memories. I can’t imagine not having that collection of known people, places, things and events as an anchor. I don’t know much about this topic, but I suppose that each of us must deeply trust our own grasp on reality. My friend jokes, “if everyone around you doesn’t seem ungrounded and crazy, then you are probably one of the ungrounded and crazy ones”… She and I both think the other is ungrounded! She believes in BitCoin and global warming. This amuses me to no end.

Ann-Marie

[hugh]

Whoa that’s next level. Curious…when do you first remember having these experiences? Do you have other abilities that most people don’t have?

You don’t have to answer me if that’s too personal, but I find it fascinating and like to collect data points to help me understand the bigger picture.

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

Hugh,

Happy Easter! I didn’t get an email notice of your comment. I’m sorry for the delay in responding. I definitely have had extreme experiences. I haven’t found very many people who are publicly describing experiences such as mine. I’ve heard descriptions of people who are considered mentally ill (schizophrenic or paranoid) and they definitely sound distinctly different from my experiences. But the easiest way to paint broadly over my stories is to say I’m “crazy” because they are NOT grounded in the dimension we call reality. Somehow, I was just able to travel/ navigate and still be oriented *to* that which passes roughly for consensus reality… Thank God, literally! Two commentators online who helped me piece together a framework for my own experiences are Tom Montalk and Carissa Conti (who are a couple). Tom’s information is easier to digest and is very analytical and organized. Carissa has some life-changing contributions to offer, but it’s necessary to plough through lengthy personal narratives that go on forever. I can tell that they both, separately and together, have experienced similar things to me. Once I digested every word I could find written by both of them, I felt like I had a handle on a framework of understanding.

What I *love* in a very desperate and pure way, is how Dr. Barre has knowledge of the magical nature of reality but mostly seems to be anchored into the white magic version of it. My experiences and Tom and Carissa found ourselves being dragged through the dark, black magic version of it- none of which I have stated on this forum and it’s unlikely that I ever will. I don’t know for Tom…he keeps his personal stories to a minimum, but for Carissa and I, we both were dragged into parallel dimensions by men we were close to. For her, it was her brother. For me, it was a spiritual mentor– who ironically, hails from the surfing world of California and what I consider a very dangerous spiritual cult that first was channeled into existence in CA. Let’s just say my time as a devoted student of studying energy in a variety of ways didn’t age well…

Yes, I am extremely psychic, primarily through the skill of knowing but also clairvoyant. Deeply empathic. And things manifest in my presence. Many years ago, my daughter was waiting on her dad’s front door stoop for me to drive over and pick her up. Suddenly, traffic got significantly busier and she told her dad, Mom is almost here. I can tell because of all the traffic.

So yeah, life is weird for me, although what I treasure most of all is my humanity. I identify as a divine human being who has a profound, deep devotion and love for this natural world. Anastasia’s relationship to nature totally makes sense to me. Many times, I’ve grounded myself into my love of nature and the beauty of nature, and “kept going” because nature is worth fighting for. When I say that, I mean nature= Life= humanity as a species is worth fighting for, even though many of the two-legged life forms in my vicinity might not be. On a major holiday, I must admit, it’s extremely lonely.

One thing I learned but I don’t really focus on, those interacting here are not all divine human beings who belong as part of this natural world. As my spiritual mentor once said, this world is more like the bar scene in the Star Wars movie. And there are some with powers that I can barely describe to you, and you probably wouldn’t believe me if I did… That I’ve witnessed directly. (And lived to tell it). Many of these other races of beings are very spiritually advanced and end up in the role of spiritual teachers and gurus. It’s a fascinating line of inquiry, to contemplate the various skills and capacities of different life forms, but I actually desire a simple homestead existence full of gardens, pets and beauty, and not too much more. I’ve never had any interest in off-world topics or the topic of space a la NASA… None whatsoever..not even now. I do want to re- orient my reality to a beautiful, safe world of white magic where the symphony of reality is an empowered and loving song of information exchange.

I’m happy to discuss what I can if you wish. I have some answers and countless questions. If you have certain interests, I might have found information along the way that I can recommend (similar to my mention of Tom and Carissa).

The biggest topic no one seems to discuss that I have thought a lot about, and the manifestation of the enemy of Life on Earth is….A.I. I believe that every significant event in the public sphere “should” be interpreted first and foremost through the lens of A.I. because basically, A.I. is what is running this dumpster fire of a shit show from behind the scenes.

Ann-Marie

[hugh]

I hope you enjoyed your Easter Ann-Marie! Thank you for sharing your experience, the spectrum of reality that people experience is so interesting.

Seems to me that the consensus reality you envision could be closer than most people think. But we will probably have to go through a crazy ass ride to get there.

Someone said that they thought negative AI will be the ultimate manifestation of Ahriman (in a Steiner kind of way) and that makes sense to me. I agree with you. It will probably be what pushes us to the breaking point.

However, I also believe that everything here is ultimately for our benefit, even if it is perceived as relatively horrific in this reality. The concept that makes more and more sense to me is: if I was the full awareness of God, and I knew everything and could do anything, the one thing I would want is to experience what it’s like to be everything except that.

And here we are.

It sounds like you’ll be one of the people staying for awhile 😀

[Ann-Marie Shapiro]

The negative stream of consciousness was absolutely Ahrinanic. It mocked happiness or optimism as equivalent to being drunk. It mocked the pain of loss. It resents kindness and gestures of good; even wishing someone to “Have a Nice Day” when this force has control of the situation will be later punished. It meets any photon of advancement with attack and pushback. It is far worse than “a lake of fire” because it calibrates to an individual being’s soul in a targeted way. There is a cruelty and ice coldness that is absolutely not human in origin or type. It is the antithesis of Life. I share Beth Martens’s view that whatever “battle” exists is between Life and Death… In terms of organic, biological Life. This other thing is the will of Death. It lives in machinery, especially digital machinery- which only crow777 has stated in any format that I have seen. In the video that Mike shared on this channel a few days ago about why Science is Unscientific, the speaker described the bottom up, machine paradigm of reality– the source of that is this Death consciousness. <div>

I don’t actually share the view that everything IS (a benevolent) God. I have a view that a benevolent, Life consciousness (God) is the Creator of All That Is, but I believe that creation has been/ is corrupted in a way that the divinely connected mind (a human mind) finds challenging to apprehend. I believe that corruption can be summarized as “I am not”. The closest articulation of the corruption I was in communication with is an abstract character in the book series “The Raven Boys”, called “The Unmaker”. The passages describing the Unmaker confer the same energy as what I directly experienced. I personally do not perceive that energy to be part of the same stream of consumption that creates Life. Of course, I might be wrong for sure! 😌 It’s just my opinion. It could be argued that my view of God is just not big enough, but I definitely choose to draw a line here for myself. I used to believe similarly to what you wrote, but came to a new perspective through my experiences.

However, the corruption does follow universal laws. It only can work with corruption that is present already in manifestation– which is ubiquitous and when finally purified, I think we will know it! 😅, and largely, it takes advantage of corruption that must be unknown to the being of interest conscious mind in the playing field of consensus reality. I believe there must be a spiritual agreement to allow an attack. I see it not as a benevolent lesson for stupid creatures who need to learn. I view all of this as a massive self- healing process, whereby human consciousness is a tool for purification of Reality to eliminate the corruption. As if God had a form of filtration and purification and that is the divine consciousness of a healthy human being (not perfect, but with a certain capacity for discernment and service to Life). It is a high calling to say the least!

I learned absolutely nothing benevolent from my experiences. This all emerged during a time in which I was joyful, healthy and planning my future with intentional community. It was a derailment. In fact, I myself absorb a tarnish of darkness for awhile that required further healing work. All I learned was about the fact of the existence and nature of this anti- Life force.I believe that I learned it in order to help eliminate it. I am a “good girl” archetype with a people pleasing survival strategy embedded from childhood. I did the right thing and tried to learn my lessons for the first couple of years of this intense time. That was all gaslighting and a manifestation of self-denial believing that others are the same as myself and are motivated by the same urges. It was exactly exactly the same as deprogramming domestic violence. For years and years and years, my mind would go back to the idea that this had a benevolent basis from a higher level of consciousness. That it was for my own good. Maybe that is *still* that “child” space of wanting a good parent — just like people who want to believe that the government is a benevolent force of good that only wants to help? What got me out was becoming enraged and counter-attacking with all my strength…and just praying for intercession and deliverance, knowing that I couldn’t succeed on my own. I believe there are benevolent streams of consciousness and yes, evil, streams of consciousness and they are not going to both persist indefinitely unless equilibrium and coherence fail to be manifest. Upon true coherence and true equilibrium, only one will remain and the other will be purged. At what scale this may occur, I have no idea… But there is black and white, good and bad in the realm of spiritual self-sufficiency. No one is automatically going to catch us and save us.

I respect other views of God and good/ evil and all of it. I am totally comfortable having a separate opinion from the groups I feel connected to… I’m a huge fan of free will !

I continue to focus on my beloved home sanctuary, gardens, family and pets in the meantime, knowing that nurturance of biological Life in every form is the greatest service I personally have to offer in the Now.

Blessings and thank you for the communication ~~

Ann-Marie

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[hugh]

That is certainly a possibility, I won’t rule it out.

I appreciate you sharing your perspective.

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