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  • #398561

    Kev
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    A place to discuss or reference or share different media used in art and craft creations, and such..

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  • #398562

    Kev
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    I’ll go first.. I’m a big fan of colored pencil sketching, but gave up on it years ago, due to the leads in the pencils constantly breaking.. and if you try to sharpen them, they just break more.. I couldn’t figure out how to do it, and literally whittled down and wasted many pencils trying to sharpen them.. Lol.. I’ve seen electric colored pencil sharpeners that are supposedly designed to prevent breakage, but I’m not convinced they’re not bogus.. Anyone here have experience with these devices, or even a technique for preventing breakage??..

    • #398590

      abram
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      what first comes to mind…relax man! pressing in too hard in your excitement?

      there are several makers i enjoy, my favorite is prismacolor for their color pallet and feel.

      here’s a drawing i did with these pencils in my late teens…

      • #398597

        Kev
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        Hahahaha, right?.. I did try to go easy with the pencil sharpening (i.e. no pressure pressing in), but to no avail.. (Though arguably, I can be a bit neurotic in my ways).. Lol.. May have been just cheap-ass pencils too.. I’ll look into Prismacolor, for quality pencils..

        And I love this sketch you did here.. What do you consider that?.. I see a hybrid of a dragon and a buzzard, which is cool as can be.. And great pencil sketching and shading too — almost doesn’t look like pencils.. A few years ago, in the process of starting to get my life story down on paper (“autobiography”), I came to the idea that I’m making a purely creative work.. Won’t go into it here, and I recall I may have mentioned it at some point.. But I want the whole thing to be illustrated, and up til now, my vision has been colored pencil sketches.. And I thought I would run into the right artist to do the work of interpretation, but also realized that *I’m* probably the artist to do the work.. Lol.. (Might be why I’m pining to do colored pencils again).. 🐦

        • #398643

          abram
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          a note on the breakage of your pencil tip, how you store and carry them matters, if you keep them in a bag for instance and they jostle around it can create micro fissures and lead to more breakage… prismacolor are more waxy in their binder, and i like to burnish the surface, giving the quality you are seeing. other types are a “drier” binder and can have a chalkier vibe…then there is paper selection: hot press/cold press, weight, tooth, material (rag, pulp, etc…) which greatly effects the behaviour of the medium and how it works to the surface.

          i prefer a quality hand sharpener most of the time, and i find the knurled, round brass type are usually the ones… i do often use my electric teachers desk style electric sharpener if i need an exceptional detail point, these work for this type of tip better as they grind around the pencil rather than a shaving cutter.

          hope that is informative and helpful

          • #398647

            Kev
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            That’s incredibly helpful!.. The point about the binder in the leads is the key point.. I think in the past I just had more fragile, chalky, and easily breakable leads.. That was obvious.. I’ll be hitting the art store this week and I’m armed with the knowledge of a waxy binder, and well as a knurled sharpener, and will ask them about electrics as well, see what they recommend and have..

            Thanks for the expertise!.. (so much better than YT videos).. 🙂

          • #399192

            Kev
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            Abe!.. I hit the art supply store for colored pencils, and wanted to give a follow-up on what I found, and share a couple things that others might be interested in..

            I looked at their Prismacolor offerings, but those were only boxed sets and I wasn’t thrilled with the color selections overall, so I passed on those (and pricey too, which is a consideration).. But they did have 2 other brands, both wax-based, and offered individual pencils that I could pick and choose from.. And both are water-soluble, and can be treated like watercolors with a moist brush once they’re down on paper.. I’m sure you’ve done all that, but I’m excited to give that a whirl, as I’ve never done it..

            The two brands are Kor-I-Noor’s Mondeluz line, and Derwent.. I looked into both of ‘em, and Derwent has a wide line of different kinds of pencils, but the ones I got turned out to be tinted graphite that can be used for shading effect, and if you watercolorize them, they’re even erasable still after drying.. (watched a demonstration video).. *Very* excited about all that, especially as one of these colors I chose is black, so that’s gonna give me something to work with in terms of dark and background shading..

            Also, I now understand fully that lead breakage during sharpening is due to the leads already being fractured or broken within the wood itself.. That was very helpful to come to understand.. For some reason, never considered that I don’t think, especially with more chalky pencils.. The attendant at the store said you can remedy wax-based broken leads by putting them in the sun or a hot car to melt and meld the wax back together.. I’m thinking warm dehydrator.. 🙂

            I also got a German blade sharpened.. They didn’t have the raised bump sharpeners, or the old school hand cranks with the raised ridges..

            Photos here of all of the above..

            • #399223

              abram
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              cool! the Derwent make a fantastic series of drawing pencils, my goto for pencil scetches…prisma color are a bit pricy and at pro art stores are available in a very large selection of colors.
              if you like markers, i was a tester for Copic before they went to market…they are bad ass! and one can blend the inks to make custom color, their felt nibs area a dream(and replaceable) and they are refillable…again a high price point.

            • #399224

              Kev
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              When I go back, I’ll have to look closely at the Derwent selection, for as you know, the types of pencils are designated by the color code at the top tip.. I didn’t know it at the time, so I’ll see which they have of what.. But very cool I happened to grab a couple graphites.. That’s new territory for me..

              Those markers sound rad actually, being able to blend ’em.. So many different art media.. They had some sort of “crayon” next to the colored pencils (which might’ve been similar, or water-soluble whatever).. Everywhere you look, every shelf has something awesome I want, even if it’s just sparkly costume beads and sequins.. Lol.. or the air brush paints (would love to give *that* a whirl).. But I’ve learned to just walk away.. I could literally drop 20 grand in one visit.. Lol.. 🕺

  • #398788

    Jena
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    so glad your mini dahlia bloomed! 3rd time I messaged Alfacastwith new credit card for membership…but I am still restricted access to full community…..came in the back door to reply to you! lol

    • #398790

      Kev
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      Hope to see you soon in your full glory!

  • #404948

    Kev
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    I’m always thinking of ways to do things differently, or homemade, or home-grown.. This past summer I did a first round of homemade vegetative watercolors, using vegetables, fruits & berries, spices, and flowers.. The big take-away from that is to avoid anything with a sugar content, or at least don’t cook and concentrate the liquid, as it turns the sugar into a sticky syrup type situation.. Lol.. Some of my paintings were sticky, but cured over time actually, so they were no longer sticky; (and funny thing, the other day I simmered a pot of water for several hours, my apartment got humid, and those two paintings became sticky again, and on one of them, the paint started to run a bit, in a couple spots.. Lol.. Fun effect.. but they dried out again too)..

    And I still continue to have lots of ideas on how to make such extracts, not just with salt preservation, but with vinegar and alcohol extraction as well.. Just depends on the plant material really and how the pigments are soluble..

    Another thing I’ve considered is making paints with clay or flour, so that they’d not be watery watercolors, but more like acrylic paints out of a bottle, much thicker.. Found a basic recipe for flour paint preserved with salt.. And found general instructions for Bentonite clay paint (which would’ve been easy enough to figure out, really).. A good recommendation there is adding something sticky such as white flour (glutenous) for binding to paper or canvas, and I’m thinking also rice flour, or sweet rice flour.. One of the recommendations is to use Borax for preservation, but I’d just do salt in the clay paint as well..

    As far as pigments go, I’d never use artificial dyes, like food coloring, but rather veggie and fruit juices, or spices.. in which case, preservation is essential.. And the water content in the recipe would be the veggie juice or extracts.. and powdered spices could be part of the dry mix.. (Turmeric!).. Other things that are good ones are black coffee or black tea or matcha tea as the mixing water, or Balsamic vinegar (good one!)..

    I got to thinking of all this while contemplating traditional oil paint production with crushed rocks, such as Lapis Lazuli to produce blue, or snail shells to produce purple.. I’m wondering what readily-available minerals, and rocks, and stones could be crushed with a big rock into a powder and added to a clay paint concoction.. That would take some grinding.. (what’s that traditional stone-on-stone grinder called in Mexico??).. but softer materials like colored clays, much easier.. And also thinking about things like dried red & orange autumn leaves ground into a powder, for pigmentation.. those sorts of things.. so many possibilities.. Sounds like an absolutely big fun experimentation situation..

    Also, came across some videos on making clay-based paints for painting walls and natural homes, but such things will end up in the Homesteading group..

    In the meantime, homemade clay/flour paint videos are ridiculous, and so just attaching a couple screenshots here, just as reference..

    You got some ideas about all this??.. How about pigmentation ideas??..

  • #405239

    Kev
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    A fairly good introduction to using natural soft stone materials as the pigments in paints.. They cover the importance of using soft easily-crushable stones, how to use water to separate the good bits from the unusable, and mixing with linseed oil to make oil paints.. I imagine the pigment powders also being used in water-and-clay based homemade paints, or even just using them to tint white acrylic from a bottle.. (10 min video)..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGpvNp86P0

  • #405763

    Kev
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    A short 10-minute video on how to process clay soil and soft stones into powders to make pigment sticks, or add to a medium to create paints, including a recipe for watercolors.. 😀

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQrK4y4QYo

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