Law & Sovereignty

[Elin]

Now that I’m aware that the courts are not what we are told, I’m no longer interested in serving on a jury. I would like to send in a conditional acceptance letter of some sort, but am looking for the strongest position to take. It’s my understanding that all courts are Article 4 courts and not Article 3, and therefore, we are not in their jurisdiction. Is this correct? Is there a better route to take? Has anyone here gotten off the jury rolls? Thanks!

Discussion

[abram]

the strongest position to take is what is true to you, and to be sure to move through what ever fear/resistance you may have to clarify if this is a controversy that is worth the effort of bringing it forward; the jury is an integral aspect of due process and may be of value even if in an administrative court…? i say, also that since the ‘states nationals’ and others gained momentum on the stage, statutes were enacted that have serious consequence if one lays accusations within a notice to an agent or officer; stay heart centered ask good questions about the issues is the guidance the speaker would give.

[Hulda]

Elin, I haven’t received a jury summons since I unregistered for voting in 2022 or 2023. I last received a summons in 2022 for September. (I forgot to call in and they never dragged me off to the whosegow.) Maybe the unregistering did it?

[Steven]

I agree with Abram here! Don’t create controversy where none exists. If they call you, deal with it then. I’d say the best way to deal with it, is to remember that we are not the dead entities with the CAPITAL NAMES in the world of the dead that they are looking for. We should not respond to those summons. We are living men and women, and we respond thusly. Definitely do answer them though, silence is consent to the necromancers after all!

To add to that, maybe jury duty might not be so bad, depending on the case. You MIGHT even be able to convince your fellow men and women to uphold real law ?

• This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by  Steven.
• This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by  Steven.

[Elin]

Thanks for all the thoughtful perspectives! I did unregister early last year and still got a summons last fall. Perhaps I should have ignored it, but I did log on and postpone so I could have some time to formulate my true response. I did jury duty once before, was even the foreman, and saw back then that the whole case was a frivolous waste of time. I could continue to postpone to dates that I know have minimal chance of actually having a case called (e.g. Thanksgiving week) or I could show up again and get myself dismissed rather easily, but I’d rather not get the summons any more. In that process, I would prefer to respond to them in honor – hence some sort of affidavit with a conditional acceptance if they can prove appropriate jurisdiction (if that’s even a correct position to take) or prove that a living woman is obligated to serve. More learned thoughts here? 😀

[Elin]

and abram’s point is valid – are the courts still worthy of our participation, even though they are actually maritime banks or some such? ?

[Elin]

… maybe this isn’t a bear I need to poke? haha

[Elin]

Or I could write them and say I know the earth is flat and see if they still want me to serve.

Bwaahahaaaaa!!!!!! … and then again maybe I’ll just keep postponing and not poke that bear. (sigh)

[Sherri]

Hi Elin! For what it’s worth I became so annoyed with the very regular summons and as a teacher having to ask for summer dates, etc. that at last I started throwing away the envelopes when they arrived ? I’ve never looked back and I don’t think they’re sending them anymore.

[hugh]

Might just be a carryover from when you were registered. My thought would be to just go in and get yourself dismissed. Also, if you cannot provide an unbiased decision, then maybe there’s less of a chance that they call you back? Just a guess, I have nothing to substantiate that.

Then if you haven’t done the passport/SS paperwork, maybe do that so you have a stronger case, if there is a next time. Doing those gov database updates should theoretically take you off the list, along with rescinding the voter registration.

Different areas probably handle it very differently, so ignoring it or postponing it indefinitely would be a crap shoot.

[Elin]

Indeed… thank you!

[Steven]

Theres the thing with jurisdiction! If the necromancers summon a DEAD ENTITY, and you show up, that’s thier jurisdiction. They’ve got ya! Not to say you can’t flip thier jurisdiction once you’re there, but its infinitely harder than just not giving it to them in the first place. Living men and women dont have obligations to the state, or to anyone else that we dont willingly agree to. Only a corporate entity has duties and obligations. You dont have to serve them anything, and a legal fiction court certainly isnt serving your fellow men and women.

That being said, I am rather interested to see how they would respond to the crazy rantings of a “flat earth lunatic”! Lol!

[Erin]

Your post just reminded me to finally send my voter withdrawal form in to my local government. And I’m cracking up at your idea to tell them your opinions on the earth being flat ?

[barre]

… but you won’t have permission to put a piece of paper into the government suggestion box! haha

[Elin]

?

[Erin]

Oh no what have I done ?

[Elin]

I’d love to try the flat earth/viruses don’t exist route just for the entertainment value, but the way things are going, my letter would end up with a judge who knows these things and would consider me the only sane one around. LOL

In all earnestness, the paragraph at the bottom of the weissparis.com Q&A page has the key info on jurisdiction that I’m planning on using. I was just wondering if anyone here had done this or something like it to glean wisdom from that experience. ?

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[Erin]

Thanks for the link!

[Kelly]

Well, I’ll detail my husbands experience from a couple of years ago when we lived in Texas;

(We had not yet removed ourselves from the voter roll and were just starting our journey):

He received a summons. He did not know not to respond to them. He sent their paper back stating that we were moving out of state and that we would be out of state closing on our new land in Colorado on the date they requested. He subsequently forgot about it all.

Fast forward a few months and Q comes to the door with our two year old son and says ‘keep Kai inside, there’s someone at the gate’. So, a Texas Marshall was at the gate to our property and asked if my husband was QUENTIN, and said he had papers to serve. By this point I had taken the Sovereigns Way course and had shared a few tidbits in passing with my husband. Quentin explained to him that he was a man and would not be accepting whatever they were serving; the Marshall got snippy and said ‘so you’re one of those Sovereigns?’ To which Q said ‘no’ I am a man and this is private property and you can leave. The Marshall said he could come in the gate but he just didn’t feel like it. Lol. My husband refused the papers.

We tried to ask for advice on how best to proceed from the Sovereigns Way on telegram and via personal email but received absolutely no response or assistance and we did not have confidence in how to proceed as it was all such a new concept.

The Marshall came back and taped the letter package to our gate, taping the gate shut, while we were home which was a fire hazard.

Anyway, my husband sent a certified letter to the court (I can’t remember what it said but it was solid, I think it was a Notice) and they refused it! So the date from the package delivered by the Marshall came and I really didn’t want my husband to be in jail, him having responded via mail to begin with, and our not knowing how we should proceed, so he went and wasted a day in court, to be the last one, having watched all of the other people who didn’t show up be excused or given small fines, and the judge refused to even listen to my husbands reasoning and fined him the max, like $800 for not showing up and being disrespectful to the court.

I really wish we had a better comprehension but that’s where we were at with it all. I mean I guess my husband could have explained that they were kidnapping him when they attempted to haul him off for not showing up but in all honesty, my nervous system isn’t in a place that can handle that sort of thing – both my parents have passed recently and I have a toddler and we were in the midst of a move 8 hours away. They just want money…sorry bastards, but it is what it is.

So not really advice, other than don’t go off half cocked lol…it may cost a few participation tokens…

Talking about flat earth and the germ theory hoax might be the cheaper route….

[Elin]

wowzers! one more peg on the “don’t poke the bear” side, but looking forward to more stories here!

[Kelly]

Yea, it was a little ridiculous.

Hopefully someone in this great community will have a positive story that we can learn from. ?

[Elin]

Following up to my original post here – My standard strategy worked again this week: postpone to a holiday week: July 4 is pretty good, the better ones are Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Year.

I have been digging further into how to get off the “summoning” annoyance list, and it looks like one needs to do the state national process at least to a certain degree, specifically the passport and drivers’ license. I signed up for Brandon Joe Williams 39 day video course which should confirm and instruct on how to rescind all of the “US Citizen” bogus contracts, then one can in all honesty UNCHECK that box everywhere, including the juror registry.

I’m not sure the Sacred Honor Fellowship folks teach this, as they did not give a clear answer on the recent Q&A.

If one feels one needs to be on a jury to help stand for truth in there, it is interesting to do that. I did it ONCE way before I knew anything about the law stuff, and saw even then that that process was a waste of time with theatrics and posturing…. and now I know that the courts are not about jurisprudence, but about banking and such, so I no longer want to be privvy to any of if. Hoping more and more people get info on the jurisdictions et al and get out of the banking/word spell matrix!

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