Homeopathy

[Kev]

“Proving” in homeopathy, as I understand it, is when a remedy causes a symptom it’s indicated to treat, in individuals who don’t have that symptom to begin with.. So to establish what a remedy is useful for, it’s given to healthy people who aren’t out of sorts in any way that’s obvious, and then the manifestation of symptoms indicates what it can be used to treat.. (I think I got that about right)..

And because any remedy could have multiple symptoms it can be used for, it seems to me that, while it may be appropriate in some respects, it may cause of proving in some way.. That may *not* be the case, especially if it’s appropriate in one way or another.. And so, it’s probably much deeper and holistic than that kind of linear thinking..

I thought I’d put this thread up here because I’m having a bit of a time trying to find provings online, perhaps some sort of database, or listing out of what provings will look like.. Obviously, what a remedy is used to treat will steer you to what the proving would look like as well.. (I have that correct?).. But also, some remedies are just impossible to find online, one way or another..

So, here we go.. Questions & discussions about provings below.. Thanks y’all..

Discussion

[Kev]

Okay, I’ll go first.. Anyone have an idea of what provings look like for Candida albicans -or- Arnica montana -or- Nux vomica ??

[Lisa]

Great question. I’m popping a quick reply but will try and come back to it later this week when I’m back. Our Materia Medicas are really a database of provings. Provings are how we work out what the remedies will cure. We get healthy volunteers to repeatedly take the remedies and see what symptoms they ‘prove’ – this is then compiled in our materia medicas. some remedies aren’t proved but instead based on clinical experience. so if you look up Nux Vomica in a materia medica the description really is the proving (as well as clinical observations). You don’t have to worry about proving the remedy if you respect homeopathic dosing principles. It’s only if you KEEP repeatedly taking the remedy when you don’t need it you risk proving it, and even then it will stop once you stop taking the remedies. Hope that helps a bit

• This reply was modified 8 months, 2 weeks ago by  Lisa.

[Kev]

Yes that does help.. That’s what I came to realize — if you’ve cleared out what needs to be cleared, then the remedy is no longer needed or appropriate, and then you can start manifesting proof.. or if you dose too much, same thing.. and that just stopping it will resolve the situation..

I’ve had some experience with homeopathics that would usually be referred to as “side effects”, like you’d see even with herbal material medicine.. But I don’t think it works that way.. As I referred to above, what I’m saying is that in one respect a homeo remedy would be appropriate, but the other actions it can have get proved at the same time (i.e. what you could call a side effect).. My sense is that’s not the way it works, at all, not even.. It’s a whole-being treatment, and the remedies know what to do.. So it does beg the question as to whether it was a correct choice to begin with.. or if it’s a so-called healing crisis initially..

So I’ll look at the materia medica that you posted.. I’d forgotten that resource was there!.. Thanks Lisa..

[Ari]

Pls lmk if there is a specific materia medica recommended as best of.

[Lisa]

This is most homeopath’s gold standard of materia medica and what is used in homeopathic colleges… it may however be a bit heavy going for home use!

https://www.helios.co.uk/en/shop/nature-s-materia-medica-fourth-edition

[Kelly]

This is for the thread but also in answer to @Ari s question on Materia Medicas:

Here is a great free resource:

https://www.materiamedica.info/en/free-materia-medica-books.php

It has the materia medicas of many of there original homeopaths and is searchable thru homeopath and alphabetically by remedies they proved.

I was able to find Clarkes three volume MM in hardback at a used book store – it was one of my most exciting finds! My shtf prepped self was happy to have a hard copy…

Boerickes ninth edition MM is a great condensed one to keep for on the go too, and includes a repertory also 🙌🏻 I think it’s more readily available and maybe still in print.

materiamedica.info

Free Materia Medica books by Kent, Mure, Boericke, Clarke, Allen, Boger, Lippe and more.

Free Materia Medica books by Kent, Mure, Boericke, Clarke, Allen, Boger, Lippe and more.

[Kev]

Thanks for the free MM link!

[Ari]

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[Kev]

I’d love to learn a basic and succinct framework of self-muscle testing.. I already see an applied kinesiologist, and that is all of it for me.. it’s astonishing what the body can do and tell you and how you can move energy and affect change and get results, if you have that information..

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[Kelly]

Ari,

Yes, intuition is always the best bet! I’ve been studying the remedies for a few years now and am starting to be familiar with their keynotes so I try to narrow down to a couple remedies and then I dowse for the highest good, potency and frequency of dose…it seems to be working but I am also working with a homeopath bc I have some chronic things that I am not quite comfortable enough to get thru on my intuition alone since I tend toward a bias…

I would really like to delve in to what Barre commented on because that is all new info to me.

Oh yay, you’re a young one mama too! It is great raising them in such an aware and intuitive space! My son is 5 – a tall 5… he has been treated with homeopathy his whole life – even though the scamdemic was the worst, I’m grateful that I discovered homeopathy during it.

Kai has recently been getting into the flower remedies as I’ve introduced them a few months ago (thankfully he knows when he needs impatiens and takes it of his own accord – He picks them up and feels the energy and chooses the one that resonates as he doesn’t read yet – it’s almost always impatiens – I wonder if we’re still mother/baby enough that I should really be the one taking it, now that I think about it…)

Anyway, I’m hoping the truth of health and healing will be well programmed in to him before he is met with the wider world out there – his limited screen time includes watching select Alfa casts and today he asked if Barre was back on YouTube – I almost fell over laughing after explaining that yes he is, kids are just so smart!💓

[Kev]

That’s awesome that Kai is following his instincts.. Questions: what is the quality or energy of Impatiens flower essence??.. and how might it be recommended, or “what is it indicated for”, as some might say??..

[Ari]

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[barre]

Good discussion here! In Naturopathic College Classical Homeopathy was one of my areas of emphasized study, so I was well-indoctrinated from a purist-classical perspective. Hahnemann shifted to a more dynamic homeopathic strategy in the writing of his 6th Organon, as he began to understand a change was necessary to accommodate the evolution in collective consciousness. A more effective Bioterrain approach that puts homeopathy in a larger light is the German use of homochords and complex homeopathics employed according to the “Six Stages of Disease”, or otherwise termed “homotoxicology”. It also affords a more logical and easier method to discern the proper remedy, with quicker results. This could be a very involved conversation on many levels, and the “law of similars” is not the primary mode of homeopathic efficacy … there’s much more to the story!

[Kev]

Excellent.. Can’t tell you Barre how much I’ve become interested in homeopathy.. It makes so much sense to me as just the way the natural order works.. And yes, the homochords and stages of disease — that all makes sense too, and I can see how complex pictures and patterns can start to form in a dynamic way.. (my education is engineering with an emphasis in dynamic analysis, and so I’m all about these waveforms and complex interactions in systems, and how all things contribute to output).. Have also become enthralled with applied kinesiology, to the degree that I’d like to study it.. but, I have no chiro background, and so maybe to start, do my own exploration of muscle testing, etc.. My AK uses homeopathic imprints, and damn is that a tangible thing with measurable results..

Homeopathy is fascinating.. I’ve gotten tangible results in short order, as well as starting to prove things out, indicating the remedies were no longer appropriate (and considering other factors involved).. Plus, not much of any response in other respect, with other remedies.. And so, bigger picture is obvious, as well as honing in on what would be appropriate.. One of the more fascinating things is not “take this remedy for this condition”, but rather treating the whole being, and looking at what precipitated a condition and what the symptoms are, regardless of what manifested on the end side.. That’s the doorway to the underlying condition, or energetic pattern.. It’s fascinating.. I’ve come to say that “the remedy knows where to go and what to do”.. 🤠

[Kelly]

Do you have any recommendations for beginning study on homotoxicology? I would really appreciate some leads on where to start..I haven’t come across anything of the sort in my used book store cruising lol, but maybe now I will know what I’m looking for.

I’ve heard that the Bigelsons are working with someone to put together an isopathics course so I’m excited about that!

[Ari]

If u like, pls keep my posted if you discover/ learn anything. I’m interested too 🙂

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[Kev]

Love this comment and ponderings.. 😌

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[Kev]

Yep.. trust me, I can go on & on & on.. 🕺

[Todd & Kate]

Thanks for those thoughts, Ari! … One ofs the reasons I’ve been drawn to Biogeometry (BG) techniques is because they focus their balancing solutions on the center, instead of on opposite polarities. With polarity balancing, the dosage needs to be just right & there’s the likelihood of interfering; but not so with centering it seems. And with BG, we center with “BG3”, which opens the door for divine order to fill in the space. We then are assisting to allow divine order to unfold, which could manifest in many different ways, depending on the situation, much less likely to cause interference.

Center (BG3) balancing helps allow the body to heal itself following the divine process. In regards to the six stages homotoxicology chart that Barre uploaded here, it would most often result in the person down regulating from a higher to a lower stage in the direction of returning to the somatid endobiont original form.

BG uses a set of specific pendulums to do what they call, “BG quality measurement”, rather than applied kinesiology, but it seems the more quality tools we have in our tool belts the better!

Anyway, I just like make sure I’m adding the centering BG3 quality to any remedy I’m going to take or give to my family members. It’s just one more step to make the remedy that much more effective it seems! Just some thoughts!🙂

[Ari]

Thanks Todd & Kate for sharing insight.

[Todd & Kate]

Thanks for this discussion! I have a question related to this … We have been giving my son remedies for a barking cough he’s had for several days now. We got a cough & respiratory kit from Homeopathy for Mommies and in the handout that came with the kit it says for whooping cough: “for family who have not had it. Take: Drosera 6c night and morning.” … Would this not prove the remedy for the family members who aren’t coughing, though? Curious of this technique of giving a remedy before the symptoms manifest physically. Thanks for your thoughts!

[Lisa]

Great question! This is applying the principles of ‘homeoprophylaxis.’ If you kept on taking it then there is a chance you could prove it, but generally you only take a very limited number of doses in a low potency so unlikely. This is a great resource to learn more about homeoprophylaxis https://realvitality.org/about-hp/

realvitality.org

About HP – REAL VITALITY

About HP – REAL VITALITY

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