Health & Wellness

[Gerald]

Hey all. I don’t really have anything specific to share right now, but the topic has come up amongst some of us in a different thread and we joked that it should have it’s own thread. So here we go then, a thread for people to share their experiences or engage their curiosities on the subject. I still kind of chuckle that this is a thing, but after experimenting for a few years there is definitely a there there. Cheers? Bottoms up? ?

Discussion

[pamela]

Funny ~ I was just wondering why no one including me has brought this up yet. 🙂

[Gerald]

The silent majority? Haha. This is the beauty of spaces like the AV community. We’re not alone!

[Kev]

Thanks for starting this thread Gerald and opening a door to these discussions..

I can offer the following from my own focused, daily use of Urine Therapy, and personal experience with the practice– and that is that I have come to view it as a vast universe that is rather complex, nuanced, probably quite unique to each individual, and the surface is just starting to be scratched in our understanding and what can be achieved with it.. It’s not a matter, in my mind, of “doing this and this and you’ll be healed”.. That’s part of it, but not all of it I found out..

This is the sense I’ve developed in my own experience in using it to work through big health challenges, and that’s ongoing.. I listened to the guidance, and I read the books, and while I have only love for the guidance that has been offered, in the end, it was such a personal experience that couldn’t be put into words, or conveyed in a podcast, and I had to figure it out as I went along.. I’ve gotten a better grip on it in time..

I also feel like we’re at the beginning of something and we have a lot to learn and teach each other.. I mean, I found no instruction on how to make aged urine (fermented urine), but I was able to figure it out from my experience with fermentation science.. And that aspect of it alone, the fermentation of urine, is a beautifully wonderous universe of complexity and nuance and uniqueness at every turn and in every batch.. There’s nothing written down or spoken about this process that I have ever come across.. And no, it’s not gross..

And also I will say — for me, my healing process with urine therapy has been first and foremost about owning myself, finding my power, and I would say, it’s an intensely transformative and beautifully personal spiritual experience that no one else could ever know about or even glimpse.. When I put it into perspective, it can sound a bit profound — to cycle your life force back into yourself and what that feels like isn’t something you can convey.. You just can’t.. I’ve long concluded that urine, and especially fermented urine, is a force of regeneration.. Fermented urine is alive, and it’s alive with one’s life force energy.. I’m all about that, especially bathing with it.. Ha!

And no, it’s not gross.. ?

See, there I go again, writing a treatise..

But also, I’m sure there are basic techniques and advice an experienced person can give to a newbie, to get them started, or convey what one might expect or experience.. Many aspects to it.. I’m all about sharing..

Peace y’all.. ?

[Gerald]

All of this! ✨ Well said, Kev. It’s absolutely a personal endeavor of exploration. Perhaps one of the greatest things I’ve taken from my experience is how empowering it is. To know that it can help guide you to all manor of different healing, physical, spiritual, emotional. I don’t necessarily claim that it can heal EVERYTHING, but I do believe it COULD, providing that you work with it as opposed to just expecting a magic bullet effect. As I understand it, your urine contains a holographic reflection of everything that is going on with you, and when reabsorbed, instructs the body on the what and how of repairing things. One more great tool in our awakened truthy tool box.

I could easily write a treatise as well, so I’ll shoot to drop my nuggets of experience is smaller, more digestible bits as this thread trucks along.

Happy to see this thread has sparked interest. I look forward to seeing how this conversation evolves over time.

[Kev]

Bang! — nailed it, Gerald.. Perfectly.. I was just meditating on this this morning.. That is – that my use of UT is biochemical-medical to a degree, but has foundationally been a spiritual practice of finding my personal power.. First & foremost it has been that very thing — a vehicle for finding and owning myself like never before, and willing and creating what I want to manifest in this life.. As I said in the other thread elsewhere, I wasn’t gonna let cancer take me down.. There was no fear or fretting about it either.. I’ve never felt so assured of myself like this at any point in life.. It was an opening and has been transformative.. The health issue itself was merely a stepping stone to the future I’m here to create.. And as I said before – full embrace and no victimhood.. And in the end, I’ve learned, such things serve to fortify you.. I also told some other folks a while back that it was a matter of laughing cancer in the face.. It didn’t have time for that.. Lol.. ?

And such a perspective as this could make some folks wonder what’s the big deal or, really, is it really all that??.. And that was part of the discovery – you really do recycle your essence and life force back into yourself, and that’s something I just can’t put into words.. It’s not like taking an external medication, like an herbal tincture, or any kind of pill or magic bullet, as you say.. There’s something much bigger going on that, for me, as I say, has been about self-discover and self-ownership and empowerment..

And you’re right about giving your body the information it needs to heal itself.. What’s contained in your urine is what was already in your body, and so that’s exactly what you need to evoke or provoke a response.. But it is worth pointing out the obvious question – if all that was already in your body, why wasn’t it working, why did you get sick??.. I don’t know the biochemical answer, but obviously, when you ingest it back into yourself, it provokes a response.. I like to think of it as a homeopathic response, in a way – i.e. “like cures like”.. I know, I know, that’s probably a very incorrect way to frame it.. But at the very least, the feedback loop of reintroducing the information into your system provokes a response.. I think of this in biochemical terms, as well as energetic imprints.. So yes, “holographic” is a brilliant way to look at it.. ✨

Okay, that’s my little “bit” for the moment.. Gots to catch a bus..

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[Dale]

Otto has fantastic testimonials but not ready to take the plunge. But I heard a UK doctor talking about the Chinese famine after they killed off the sparrows. Goes like this. Survivors would grow Clorella in their bath tubs and they would use urine to grow the Clorella. I would be willing to eat the Clorella grown in the urine but not the urine itself. 🙂

• This reply was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by  Dale.

[Gerald]

Wow! I’ve never heard that tale before. Crazy, but not surprising. It is a great fertilizer after all. I’ve used in my garden many times.

Maybe one day, Dale. Maybe one day. The seed has been planted. You just need the right circumstances for the germination. ?

[Kev]

Hmmm, Chlorella grown in urine?.. Gives new meaning to the word “superfood”, and it could be the key to levitation I’ve been looking for.. But also makes me wonder what else could be grown in it.. ?

I’ve been thinking recently of experimenting with herbal infusions in the form of sun tea.. Fermented urine, herbs & flowers & solar energy — sounds like good medicine to me!.. ?

[maryschurr]

Oh Kev, I can’t wait to hear what you come up with. I’ve been making such concoctions (as he would call them) for my husband since the pollen is not agreeing with him right now. He’s still got a toe in part of the normal health world (urine, EMF issues are not yet things he could be on board with yet). He was in another part of the house where he couldn’t hear me very well and he came back to the kitchen and said…”Did you say you were adding hair in that stuff??!!” I’m still cracking up laughing! I guess that wouldn’t surprise him.

[Dale]

My cousin was sick for a week with a bacteria infection the doctor said. The antibiotics were not working. I got tired of his moaning and groaning and grabbed a little bottle of specially prepped DMSO and slammed it on the coffee table. Take a teaspoon with Orange Juice He was fixed up the next day. DMSO is a bacteria stat… After that my cousin called me a Master Quack and asked what was in the DMSO.

[Eliza]

Wow!

[Kev]

Oh my god, that’s hysterical, and I know the feeling.. ? ..I usually just keep such things to myself, though, as I’d rather not try to negotiate other people’s hang-ups or inability to not think “normal”.. Lol..

But hey, what were you working with that he heard the word “hair”??.. (“Wouldn’t be surprised”.. Lol)..

[maryschurr]

I have no idea! Just making up juice with his Minerals, Digest, Vitamin C, etc. I think I had another small glass of juice with the Greens detox powder in it as well. Hoping he will feel better…the pollen season really has gotten to him. ? I’m fine, lol. But, I take bee pollen along with other things every day.

[Michael]

I loosely experimented for about a year with autotherapy awhile back. I didn’t notice big changes so discontinued the practice.

For those that like to experiment, you can make a homeopathic out of your urine. It elevates the healing properties. Take one part of urine and 9 parts of distilled water. Shake forcefully. You now have a 1x. Take one part of the 1x, 9 parts of distilled water, shake and continue as many steps as you would like. 6x is a fairly typical potency. Start with the smallest amount you can. If you go to 6x, It will be diluted 1 million times.?

The only caution I would have, and I assume this is common knowledge but just in case – do not create the homeopathic, or imo ingest, if you’re on any medication. Doing so can create a very strong negative feedback loop.

[Kev]

Thanks for the recipe Michael.. That’s helpful, and very interesting about the negative feedback loop.. Any medication or herbal gets partially passed through the urine (with as much as 30% not getting metabolized by the liver).. So that’s kinda fascinating that if you make a homeopathic with those components in it, how it can create such a strong amplified effect if re-ingested.. Thanks for that info.. I’m fascinated..

[Michael]

You’re welcome Kev.

It has to do with how strong the resonance is that you have for the substance. Strong resonance, and if the pharmaceutical is perceived by the body as a strong poison, then ingesting the potentized version of the pharmaceutical can be an extreme example of the Law of Similars. Paracelsus described this back in the 1500s. I’m sure the issue existed long before that, but that was the first place I heard about it.

[Kev]

Such an important thing to point out and illuminate.. ADVollmer talks a lot about the people she helps cutting their medications back for the reason that recycling it effectively increases the dose.. It’s worth considering literally cutting your tablets, if you can, if that’s something someone would be concerned about.. But again, things we need to figure out on our own as we go.. There’s gonna be no data or specific guidelines on this approach.. There might be data or “things to look for” if your dosage is too high, so that would be worth considering looking into, if someone needs to stay on their meds, but also wants to be aware of what to watch for..

[Kev]

Hi Michael.. I wanted to do a follow-up.. I’m gonna make a homeopathic with urine here soon.. I’m glad I came back and read up on your recommendations.. I’m off of all Harma drugs at this point, but I do take a few supplements, and daily herbal therapy.. I’m gonna cut all those out for, hmm, maybe 3 days, and then do the urine preparation..

Do you have any thoughts on buying distilled water in plastic bottles (which is all I have access to)?.. I’m skiddish about the plastic infusing into the water.. I do have access to spring water in glass bottles.. That’s gonna have minerals dissolved in it.. Do you have any thoughts on these small amounts of dissolved compounds interfering with the homeopathic preparation, or themselves being potentized?.. Thanks buddy..

[Anne]

the other question, is what about zero water that’s structured verses distilled water…..

[Anne]

I had just been thinking about this and contemplating giving it a try, after have started a homeopathic class this year….. with what I had learned about urine therapy and experimenting with, then trying some homeopathic medicine…. I was just saying, wouldn’t using your own urine take out some of the guess work on choosing the “right” homeopathic medicine or having to have the right medicine on hand…

[Kev]

That’s exactly my view on it — everything you need is encoded in the blood plasma/urine, so no guesswork at all..

I would say that in general, though I have another layer of perspective on it.. I’m pretty deeply experienced with UT and fermented urine, etc., though recently have not been drawn to go in that direction with a major development with my state of health.. I experienced kidney shutdown in September, and have had relatively low kidney function since (though definitely good days along the way).. I keep coming back to urine being exactly what I need, in principle, but am just not compelled to take the step.. There’s *something* there that’s preventing me from doing it.. Early on in the shutdown (the first week), I took a sip one morning, and it knocked me on my ass.. It was so potent, and the healing crisis was hard to imagine.. though this was also early in the situation, and I was going through it hard, and my body had just been turned topsy-turvy and it was sheer turmoil..

Today I was *just* thinking of urine yet again, and I’m sure it would be different than the early days.. was also thinking of the homeopathics I took for the kidneys and attendant symptoms (like skin rash due to toxicity) — I was a bit all over the place, and shooting blind in some ways, and one particular remedy (Berberis) was perfectly aligned with all the indicators I’ve had, but it made the situation *worse*, which is confusing — it’s like I was proving out symptoms when I already *had* the symptoms.. I don’t have $$ for a competent homeopath, so I’ve abandoned it.. I don’t like the approach of “take this remedy for this condition”, without considering the whole person on every level, and I just don’t have the framework or understanding for that depth of approach..

I had come to the hunch that homeopath remedies know how to “get to the source” when you “treat symptoms”, even when you don’t know what the underlying cause is.. But not sure at this point.. at least it’s a more complex picture for choosing remedies, and I’m not messing with it at this point.. I feel blind with it.. And so, back to urine — yes, it appears like it’s the “answer” already devised for you, and you just feed the information back in.. but also, back to the original point on a secondary level of understanding — the message I’ve gotten and felt is that I’ve stayed clear of urine thus far because it hasn’t felt appropriate, or the step I need to take, and I’m just not compelled.. I’ve learned more and more to not force and listen to the messaging.. But also, the messaging today has been pretty loud..

[Erin]

I heard Topher on his Biocharisma podcast not too long ago say something to the effect that if we are avoiding UT it’s because there is something within ourselves we don’t want to see because practicing UT will reveal these things. Thought it was interesting. It may have been during his interview with ADV or Fiona Gardner (the Bigelson’s microscopist, who also looks at the messages in urine under the microscope). The conversation with Fiona was fascinating and I highly recommend it!

[Kev]

That is indeed an interesting way to look at it — avoiding UT is avoiding something inside we don’t want to look at.. Very very interesting, as I’m usually of the mindset of “show me, please” and don’t shy away from facing down or looking in the mirror.. So that’s deeply interesting, and makes me wonder what it is I have shrouded and avoiding, if even somewhat.. I have thoughts on it, for sure..

When my kidneys shut down and I tried UT early on, as I mentioned, that one sip unleashed a healing crisis that knocked me out, put me in bed, where I writhed for some time, thinking I was about to check out of this life, and I released a wave of fear stored in my body, which was all-consuming and fully somatic.. that’s how I learned that the kidneys store fear.. my whole being was consumed by fear and felt through it, whatever it was.. Nothing specific, but I now wonder if I’ve avoided UT since then because of whatever that is that’s wanting to express itself and reveal itself..

I took a couple good gulps first thing this morning.. In addition to starting the Berberis again last night (for this fire rash burning on my skin, and kidneys), which felt right, urine felt right as well.. So appears this burning hell fire rash, and whatever is working itself out — a clear message, and I’ve taken the correct steps.. Not chugging urine all day at this point though.. Lol..

Isn’t it amazing when you get the messages, and they’re perfectly clear, while at the same time, you’ve already worked it out??.. so congruous..

(don’t recall listening to Topher & Fiona, but maybe.. will look that up)..

[Erin]

Wow that experience sounds frightening and I can understand why you hesitated to start again. It does seem to make sense with what Topher suggested and your experience that perhaps that experience was showing you some fears you need to face. So fascinating and I’m grateful to hear you didn’t have such an intense experience this time when starting UT again.

I actually fell out of the habit myself and just started again yesterday. I have had ongoing sinus and upper respiratory symptoms since the start of the new year which is not like me to have these things linger for weeks. Using my urine as a nasal rinse in addition to drinking it and after 2 days I finally feel like things are clearing up.

[Dale]

One reason why I didn’t try it was we are polluted with heavy metals. So that heavy metal energy signature gets in the Urine. Maybe 25 years ago I would have jumped right on it. I have done several heavy metal tests and has spiked in last 5 years. Chelation every year now.

[Dorothy]

Interesting. I’ve been doing it for a week and feeling pretty lousy. Started taking zeolite. Wondering other people experience who have done it-would love to hear.

[Gerald]

I have never taken zeolite, though I do take activated charcoal regularly. From what I gather, zeolite is a more powerful binder for toxins and heavy metals. I would presume the lousy feeling you were experience was detox symptoms, and I would have to think the zeolite would help. It’s been a few days since your post. How are you feeling now?

[Erin]

This discussion is quite timely for me as I finally started UT about 2 weeks ago after being on the fence about it for a while. After listening to ADV and reading The Golden Fountain by Coen Van Der Kroon I felt confident to start. I have just been using my first morning urine, mid stream, as ADV and the book discuss. I also have been swishing and gargling with it. I have had a spot of inflammation in one of my molars ever since a laser periodontal surgery last May and although DMSO got that inflammation down a bit, the urine has helped it go down more than anything so far. After I gargle I also find that I am expelling a lot of mucous which feels very cleansing. I follow up with brushing my teeth with AV’s tooth serum and my breath and mouth feel so fresh and clean. I also had the lightest, shortest menstrual bleed of my life since starting UT which was an amazing and unexpected surprise. I’ll see if the same happens on my next cycle. I still have a lot to learn about this modality, but I’m definitely happy with my results so far! I’m also curious to learn more about fermenting it and am intrigued by the homeopathic preparation of it. So many possibilities!

[Kev]

Hey Erin.. All great to hear.. I just wanted to chime in here on fermentation.. This is how I do it, and it works, and is relatively easy, but also a few things to be mindful of..

I start with a quart-sized mason jar.. The urine has to breathe, so I put a sprouting lid on top of the jar (which has holes in it, for ease of sprouting seeds).. I find the addition of the lid keeps things a little more tidy, because when you move the jar around, it can slosh a little bit, so just keeping the situation contained and clean as possible.. And then I also drape a cotton dish towel over the lid and bind it with a rubber band.. You don’t want the urine to be completely open with access for fruit flies.. The fruit flies will find it, and they are the only drawback, in my opinion.. That’s not too big of a deal though — it’s worth it to deal with an occasional critter buzzing in your face.. I never had a big outbreak of them that I had to abandon the operation.. But they are possible.. And in fact, after a while, they completely went away..

All I do is fill the jar with fresh urine, add the lid and towel, and just set on the counter to start fermentation.. It does so naturally and doesn’t “go bad” like with a public restroom.. Once it starts fermenting (after a day or two), I add a little bit of it to fresh urine whenever I drink — I call it “spiking”.. Ha!.. I use a plastic medical syringe to draw the ferment up out of the jar.. Very handy!.. Very recommended to do it this way.. Pouring it off out of the jar would just be too messy with drips & such.. I’m not shy with my dosing and ramped up pretty quickly in my therapy.. I typically add 40 mL of ferment to fresh urine (which is just shy of 3 tablespoon).. This is the case simply because my syringes hold 20 mL.. I’ve been known to go to 60 mL (which is a full quarter cup).. Not giving dosing advice, just showing how I do it..

As I use the ferment, I’m constantly adding fresh urine to it, everyday, to keep the jar filled.. The fermentation is a fascinating thing.. The quality and nature of it depends on what you start with initially, and what goes into it as you go along.. Urine is constantly different everytime we produce it, so the ferment is going to consistently be unique..

The cloudy white stuff found in urine (which I think is called “ormus”, or minerals) will settle to the bottle of the jar.. So I stir the jar with a chopstick before using it.. And over time, you might find some interesting things with it.. It becomes alive with bacterial culture (maybe yeast too, dunno), and when you stir it, you might see foaming, like with the frothy head of a beer, or kombucha that’s brewed up nicely (which foams when you stir it)..

One thing to watch for, and very important.. When you open your jar to use it, give it a sniff before you use it.. Healthy ferment does *not* smell like a toilet.. It’s pleasant and sometimes sweet.. It’s not a decomposition, biologically speaking.. But also look at the surface the ferment.. If you see a sheen, that’s not typically a good sign.. As Van der Kroon points out, the urea in the urine can convert to ammonia.. When you sniff it, it will be obvious — it will smell like a petroleum distillate or something potent like that.. It’s so obvious when this happens, and it can and does happen.. It has to be dumped at that point, and then you need to start over with a new jar.. I learned to have more than one jar going, to have a back-up ready to go.. I’ve had jars of ferment last 2-3 months, and still ongoing..

As far as dental health goes, you remind me of something I’m wanting to do, which is a homemade toothpaste made with ferment.. Very simple recipe in my mind — Bentonite clay, coconut oil, fermented urine (and also maybe some sea salt).. That might be very helpful for your tooth situation.. Lots of recipes possible I think, including adding activated charcoal (maybe almond oil too).. Only thing I would say about it (and I haven’t experimented yet), is that the ferment might need to be added to the other ingredients right before using it.. In other words, mix the clay/charcoal/oil/whatever and have that at-the-ready, and then add ferment and stir into a paste before using.. If you add the ferment up front and just store it, it might not work.. unless you stored it without a lid so it can breathe — (adding a lid might not be good and suffocate it and make it “go bad”)..

Okay, that’s my “bit” for the moment.. ?

[maryschurr]

Gee, Kev! Thank you! I learned a lot that I probably would never have found elsewhere. Gonna save this as a favorite for when the times comes.

[Erin]

Wow thank you so much, Kev! I really appreciate your detailed explanation from your experience ??

[Kev]

Of course!.. Happy to share..

[Gerald]

Kev, great tips on the fermenting. Thanks for sharing. From my experience I’ll add this. The older it gets, while yes it grows more potent, the smell and the taste gradually fade. I’ve had some that reached 8 to 9 months. At that point, the order was nearly gone, and what oder there was was very mellow and dare I say pleasant. The same was true for taste.

I was always fairly confuse regarding the ormus. I usually just let the sediment chill down there at the bottom. Now I’m going to start swirling it around so that I’m getting some of it into my dosage and see if I notice any difference.

[Kev]

It’s true that the ferment does really mellow with age, though I never had one go completely odorless.. But the aroma is very mellow and pleasant, with a sweet quality to it.. The way I like to put it is this: if you were to blindfold someone and then stick a jar of well-fermented urine under their nose, they’d have no idea what it was, and they wouldn’t find it offensive.. You could even make something up when they see the jar of yellow liquid, like say it’s some kind of special home-brew of some type or something.. They’d be none-the-wiser..

Same thing for taste.. Very pleasant to me, with a sweet quality.. Not a sweet taste, like sugary, but a sweet quality.. In fact, I never miss adding it to fresh urine, as that really makes it nice in my experience.. Fresh all by itself isn’t bad, but the added ferment makes it nice.. Funny story about that – there was one particular night when I was laying in bed watching the only TV show I watch, just chilling, and enjoying one glass after another, like a recreational beverage.. I was joking with my UT buddy in Oz that I was drinking it like a refreshing beverage, like lemonade or something, saying how delicious it was.. We had good laughs over that one..

But I did also want to share an experience I had recently regarding stirring of the ferment.. I thought I would share as this might be helpful for others.. I recently halted urine therapy after a rather intensive 4 months of it.. There was good evidence I needed to take a break and let my body do a rebalancing without the input.. I decided to keep my jar of ferment going to see what would happen if I ceased to stir it everyday and constantly add fresh to it..

On day 1, I let the jar sit and didn’t stir it or anything.. On day 2, I opened the jar and found a sheen floating on the surface.. This is almost always (but not necessarily) a sign that the urea has converted to ammonia.. A sniff test will confirm it, but in this case (as in some cases), it was not ammonia.. It could have been a very small amount though, making it not obvious by smell.. But at the very least, there’s something there that rises to the top, due to differences in the densities of various compounds (think oil floating on water).. I stirred it and set it back on the counter..

On day 3, I started to smell the jar, and it wasn’t pleasant (This never happens.. It never “smells” in any way).. By the end of the day, when I got near the jar it smelled like a public restroom.. Opened it up and it was absolutely foul.. So it got me thinking about how all that went down.. Ultimately, anything fermented can “go bad”.. Fermented cabbage (kraut) can go bad, etc.. it all depends on conditions and how you treat it and the environment you give it.. My feeling is that since I was not stirring it, and adding fresh urine to it, and “keeping it alive and thriving”, and putting positive energy into it, it just “went off”.. Biochemically speaking, whatever the sheen that I saw the day before may have been the impetus or the trigger that started the process of “going bad”.. or maybe that was the first stage of the process..

This is obviously just one individual case, and isn’t going to be a universal truth or guideline, but it made me realize just how much of the UT experience is an energetic and spiritual one, full of intention and positive energy.. There’s something to be said for the process of daily, ongoing interaction, and constantly energizing your brew, and “keeping it alive and thriving”.. One of the cornerstones of what compelled me into UT was the realization and knowing that it’s a force of regeneration and full of one’s own life force – and so the daily relationship is a profoundly spiritual experience for me, even when/if it’s not conscious in my mind..

So it is interesting that not stirring has worked for you without issues.. Goes to show how it’s not one-size-fits-all and it would be unique to the individual.. And it also affirms, for me, that it’s more about the individual and intentions and the energy of your heart, etc.. ?

[Gerald]

Look at you all go! I haven’t had time to chime in since I started this thread and there’s so much discussion going on now. I love it!

Erin, so great to hear the success you’re having with your teeth. UT has been a game changer for my dental health as well. For years I’ve had a couple of molars too that would get quite irritated at times. Serious inflammation and sensitivity in the surrounding gums. The only relief would come with repeated oil pulling. Since UT, all of that has disappeared, and quite honestly my teeth and gums have never felt stronger. Even crazier is that for probably two years now I have not used any toothpaste, not even baking soda. I just brush with the toothbrush alone, and swish throughout the day with urine. Aged/fermented is of course extra potent, though I usually dilute that with some distilled water as it can be a bit harsh on the gums/tongue, so the “burn” for lack of a better word goes away within 30 minutes or so. And I should say that “burn” does not really feel like it’s burning, but rather just leaves your gums feeling a little rough.

[Erin]

Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I learn so much from this community it brings a smile to my face every day ?

[Gerald]

You’re welcome! This community is absolutely smile inducing. ?

[Kev]

Hey, great advice on how to use ferment for health of the mouth.. For some reason, I’ve yet to adopt the practice.. I’m going in steps I think.. I still use toothpaste (Dr. Bronner’s natural, without soap in it), and I dip that in activated charcoal.. I did try brushing one day with fresh urine all day and my mouth didn’t feel clean, though there could be a transition period I’m guessing.. Honestly, I just keep forgetting to do it.. But, would love to eventually make the transition.. Humans were not designed to need paste out of a tube for oral cleansing.. ?

[Leigh-Anne]

Hey all,
We were talking about urine therapy in a recent thread I posted on eye health, and I had a question I wanted to post here. For those of you who are deep into UT, do you know if it’s only recommended with a vegetarian diet, or when one eats very little meat and dairy?

In The Golden Fountain by van der Kroon he advises urine therapy with a vegetarian diet, refraining from meat and dairy (as it makes the urine acidic, which he says may be harmful to ingest).

“It is advisable to follow a vegetarian diet during intensive application of urine therapy. This means that it is best for you to refrain from eating all meat and dairy products, or at least reduce this to a minimum, especially if you practise the therapy for an extended period of time. This also applies if you are fasting or if you drink several glasses of urine per day.

If you continue to eat meat, you probably have a high concentration of nitrogen wastes, uric acids and other (acidic) substances in your urine, which are not helpful when reingested in these large amounts. A surplus of these substances in the blood can lead to an abnormally high degree of acidity. The body consequently ‘acidifies’, creating a breeding ground for illnesses.”

Before I read that, I used UT on a small burn I have on my leg and left a wrap soaked with urine on it for a few hours. When I took it off, the skin was all red (beyond the small burn itself) and I still see the redness today a little even though this was three days ago.

Of course when I read that part in his book I was like, “maybe it’s too acidic and that’s why!” but honestly, I have no idea.

And side note, I’m enjoying this interview with ADV on shivambu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TFUS4Jg32E

[Kev]

Hi Leigh-Anne.. I think I might have just a bit of insight into this, just going on experience..

There may be some validity to what van der Kroon says about acidification.. It does make sense.. And the experience I’ve had with it includes my urine have a strong odor and taste of meat, right after eating, usually the first and [maybe the] second urination after the meal.. For example, if I eat baked turkey, the urine will smell like turkey and taste like turkey that’s been sweetened.. I’m not necessarily a fan, and it does make me question what’s happening..

For one thing, I’m diabetic, and so the sweet flavor could be spilling of sugar due to the ingestion of meat itself.. And so maybe there’s a biochemical situation where uric acid, or some other meat byproduct, binds to glucose and flushes out.. And it could be exacerbated by the diabetic situation, as my body does not self-regulate in that department.. Dunno, but if that were the case, it could be evidence that meat does indeed cause excessive uric acid.. It’s interesting either way.. But for sure, it’s been enough that it makes me question it.. And while I don’t eat meat on the daily currently, I quickly learned to skip over using any urine that was post-meat meal, just because of its obvious quality..

On the other hand, about 3 months back I adopted a mostly carnivore diet, while still practicing UT.. Beyond the urine that was produced right after a meal, I still consumed it, if it didn’t have that obvious odor, etc.. Don’t know if that was good or bad.. I didn’t necessarily notice anything unusual, but even that’s hard to say, as I was in an intense detox period, doing different things, and so I was just “going through it”.. so it’s difficult to isolate one influence over another, or if I did in fact recycle too much acid.. Have no idea.. Good things to consider though..

Hope this makes sense..

And thanks for the video of ADV..

[Leigh-Anne]

Thanks so much, Kev…I really appreciate your wisdom here. I also definitely notice the strong odor after eating meat as well, and it tends to go away with subsequent urinations, as you say. Seems like it’s just an opportunity to develop a relationship with getting to know my own fluids better, using my intuition, all the good things.

[Kev]

Oh okay, that’s interesting to know that others experience that as well.. So I may not be an anomaly due to diabetes & kidneys not in top shape.. And I also meant to say that I always notice it with poultry (chicken & turkey), but have not noticed (that I recall) the same phenomenon with beef and eggs.. So could be a bird thing.. 🤠

[Kev]

This site isn’t letting me edit, as usual.. I meant to add to the above comment the following:

Hmmm, another thing I’ve noticed with animal foods is that urination right after a meat meal (and sometimes into the evening onwards), produces urine that’s a lot cloudier and opaque than if I’m more veggie-based.. So say I eat no meat for 5 days or whatnot, my urine may not be that cloudy, and then if I eat meat, it’s very cloudy after mealtime, and sometimes multiple urinations into the evening after that.. So, a little data there that has always produced a question mark..

[Leigh-Anne]

Thanks for sharing, I have noticed the cloudiness as well vs much clearer and more neutral smelling after eating mostly fruit + veg. I think if I’m going to use UT I’ll only be doing it during times when I’m taking a break from meat.

I’ve tried vegetarian longer term and it didn’t work for me, I felt very ungrounded, but it’s fine for short stretches. This conversation is definitely making me rethink diet though. Intuitively it feels like fruit and veg as the majority of what I eat is best, with small amounts of animal protein once in a while.

[Kev]

I would have to concur with that balance of veg/fruit and meat.. I went mostly carnivore for a while to help rebalance my gut and deal with inflammation and liver/bile not in the best shape.. It was an upheaval and a bit of a purge, but I never found an eventual balance point, and ultimately it felt like it just threw me out of whack as such.. I still make a point of meat, but have gravitated more back towards veg.. It felt right.. I do a lot of Indian cooking, and I was missing those veg-based dishes and the combo of spices.. Indian cooking is alchemy and I intuitively know how to use what spices for what I need and how I feel.. Did my current go-to favorite dish 2 days ago and it was soooo soothing and grounding.. And despite the idea that rice isn’t a good choice necessarily, I find it very nourishing in context.. So, no hard rules for me!.. Lol.. Guidelines and guideposts are good though.. 🤠

Speaking of using urine in the eyes — I’ve yet to do that.. I was sunset sungazing for several months, but recently fell out of that habit, at least for now.. But I love that beyond words..

[Leigh-Anne]

I did carnivore too for a bit last year, but it doesn’t work for me long term.

And about sungazing, I love being out to get the light at sunrise and sunset but have not done the gazing directly at the sun yet. Was just reading this page earlier today about Hira Ratan Manek’s approach, fascinating: https://solarhealing.com/process/

P.S. It sounds like you’re an amazing cook, I tried to make butter chicken the other week, it was my first attempt at Indian, and it isn’t easy!! What is this favorite go-to dish you speak of? 😀

[Erin]

Thank you for the sun gazing resource! I have been practicing for a while now and have followed most of the recommendations that I am reading about on this site intuitively.

[Kev]

It is glorious, is it not?

[Erin]

Glorious indeed! I always feel so energized and experience way less pain after morning sun gazing ☀️🌞 I find it to be deeply spiritual as well. I stand on my deck holding a branch of my favorite pine tree (I named her Senti, short for sentient) and I feel a deep connection to the feminine energy of the earth and the masculine energy of the sun.

[Kev]

Oh my, I concur.. That’s exactly it for me, the feminine holding me in place in my feet, while the source and fuel of life, the sun, charges me with male strength.. Gazing from my balcony is without issue, but barefoot on the ground is full connection.. I usually raise my right hand toward the sun and connect and move that life energy through to my left hand placed over my heart, where it meets the energy flowing up from below.. Sounds whack, but it’s a thing, right?.. Lol.. Sometimes I go down to the river and wade into the water up to my knees to do the sunset gazing.. I found it’s an invitation to stop the agendas and just melt into the moment.. It’s just so easy, so so easy, if you can just let go..

[Erin]

In my world, what you just said sounds perfectly normal and very grounded. I practice Kundalini Reiki so channeling both the feminine kundalini energy and the masculine reiki energy, having those energies blend in my heart and then sending it out through my palm chakras is something I do daily. I love that you’re able to get in the river while sun gazing too, that sounds amazing!

[Kev]

Yeah, it is perfectly normal in my world too!.. being “whack” was me just being silly.. I’ve rarely if ever met anyone that understands.. I’ve always had very strong Reiki, to the point that when it first awakened in me and started to flow, in my mid-20s, if I put my palms facing each other it was like magnets in proximity.. So when I raise my palm to the sun, it’s a literal connection and flow of energy, just as you experience yourself.. It’s utterly tangible..

I’ve not always been turned on in that way, as the bumps of life & this & that & poor health & struggles & everything else shut all that down.. It’s definitely reawakened now, even to the point that I make a point of directing energy out of my palms in certain situations, such as touching someone who clearly needs a boost of love.. etc.. 😇

Funny story — last year when that “hurricane” hit the coast of California, it moved north up the coast to Oregon (at least I’m assuming), because a big storm system blew thru here about 2 days later..

I popped up out of bed one morning at daybreak.. When I reached for my lamp to turn it on, the light bulb flickered on & off sporatically before I even touched the lamp.. I then went out onto the balcony, and at that moment a whack-ass electrical storm was blowing up the river, hovering just right over the river.. The storm was over the general area too, by & large, but the micro-area of the river was fascinating and unique, as always.. Big electrical storm and intense lightning just across the river from me, and super epic rolling thunder, for a very long time, the kind of thunder that’s not always accompanied by lightning.. It was literally music from the heavens it was so freakin’ epic..

Keeping in mind, we *rarely* get lightning & thunder here in the rainforest.. And I just did the natural thing with the electrical energy buzzing through the air — I raised my right palm and channeled the energy into my potted plants.. Oh yeah, that was something else.. And it was very much just like our relationship with the sun — in those moments during the storm I was in relationship with the lightning discharging just over the river from me.. the kind of lightning that’s so close you can see how thick and dense the column of energy is, and really bright white.. I was so jacked and flying high during this event, and we got a massive downpour for a while, as the electrical storm passed, and was replaced by rain.. And then that passed relatively quickly, and then it was a hot-sunny day.. I was like dang, that was some sort of gift!

And then I also realized later — my body capacitated the electrical energy in my sleep, and when I reached for the lamp, it discharged and made the light bulb flicker.. And then it all made sense

I wanna do that again!.. Like getting back in line for the roller coaster. 🤠

[Leigh-Anne]

@EY29 Love that! 😀 Especially the connection with the masculine and feminine. Beautiful.

[Erin]

🥰

[Kev]

Ha!.. Funny you mention butter chicken and ask about my current favorite — it’s a butter masala dish!.. You can use chicken or chickpeas (which I find to be the best 2 approaches to it).. but I actually use black chickpeas, a lesser-known type of chickpea you can only get at Indian importers.. But yeah, the “butter masala” dishes are multi-stepped and more involved than a “typical” Indian dish, which are much more straightforward, or can be.. and can be really easy too, just depends..

Another one I’ve been loving recently is eggplant in sweet & tangy tamarind sauce (not spicy).. I mixed it up and did roasted yukon gold potatoes and roasted/charred sweet red peppers.. That was bomb!.. Oh shoot, I’m about to start going on about Indian cooking.. Must stop now!.. 🤠

Okay, one last mention — recently been working on a spicy mint & curry leaf chicken dish, which was incredible.. Curry leaves — another Indian ingredient folks don’t know about.. I get it at an Asian market.. Tried to root off a sprig to grow my own bush, but it didn’t take.. Lol..

Thanks for the resource on sungazing.. I was just thinking about it this morning!.. I never followed guidelines myself, just figured it out and the way I like to do it.. I have some advice to help ease into it, if you want.. And there’s a whole thing and process that occurs that’s fascinating.. But, the big thing you [may] discover is that there’s a relationship we have with the sun that I didn’t know existed.. Once you gaze fully into the sun, there’s a connection that’s made, and a fully-integrated “link-up” that occurs, which I’m not shy in asserting is a matter of linking into the consciousness of the sun as a part of ourselves.. Yeah, it’s that.. But I’ll stop for now.. 🤠

[Leigh-Anne]

@Kev that is incredible. I truly buy into this ‘link up’ that you speak of. And, if we ever have an in person AV gathering, I vote you as chef. What amazing creations you make!

[Kev]

Oh shoot, now you’re talking.. I love cooking Indian spreads for people.. Usually do at least 3, if not 4 dishes, buffet-style, as required, with the side fixin’s of course.. Lol.. Haven’t done it in a *long* time and have been chomping at the bit.. Had a whole menu planned for a couple friends of mine and they flaked.. but hey, something in that realm will happen at some point.. I looooove spending 10 hours in the kitchen.. Lol..

[Leigh-Anne]

Amazing!! 🔥

[Jena]

I IMPULSIVELY JUST BOUGHT ASODETIDA POWDER ON AMAZON…..ANY IDEAS OR RECIPES FOR IT????

[Kev]

Asafoetida is a good one, and potent.. Hare Krishnas use it in place of garlic.. Asafoetida contains all of the flavors listed in Ayurveda (sweet, sour, salty, bitter, pungent, astringent), and so is considered a divine food.. Garlic is imbalanced in this way and so they consider it too harsh and will throw your bodily humours out of balance..

Asaf is usually used in spice blends (typical Indian), and in that context, it’s used sparingly and a bit of a something-something.. Indian cooking in my world is pure alchemy, and so that’s just an ingredient that I sometimes use when it feels “right”.. I only use recipes as a point of inspiration or ideas, and then I go from there with my own thing.. But I’ll keep my eyes peeled for a recipe that features it.. I think my sweet & tangy Tamarind sauce might have it in there.. I’ll check that.. I’m feeling that Tamarind and Asaf are a good combination, energetically..

I’ll get back to you..

And dang, now I gotta do that Tamarind dish again.. Nums..

[Mike]

But this is going over the line right? I only drink my own pee!! 😂

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[Kev]

You know though, I first heard of drinking the urine of little boys from my naturopath who said it was a thing in Chinese medicine.. and then I heard the same thing from another source, who said 7 years of age was ideal, though younger probably good too.. Probably has something to do with the production of some biochemical of some sort (if you wanna be reductionist).. plus kids are in Theta state before the age of 7 as well.. Magical pee!!

Another story from my naturopath — one of his Chinese medicine professors had a friend that was in the hospital in a coma for several months.. and so of course he had a urine collection bag hooked up to him.. when the nurses were out of the room, the professor drew some piss up into a syringe and injected it into his feeding tube connected into his stomach.. The dude woke up in a couple minutes.. 🍺

[Jena]

NEVER DISMISS ANCIENT CHINESE WISDOM……AT LEAST INVESTIGATE…..LOL

[Tommy Hughes]

From the 16th century (who knows the real timeline) masterpiece in ancient Chinese medicine the Bencao Gangmu, “<i style=”font-weight: bold;”>Compendium of Materia Medica,” by Li shizhen. Here is a brief excerpt on Urine from the volume on categorizing medicinals from human substances:

【主治】寒熱頭痛，温氣。童男者尤良。别録。主久嗽上氣失聲，及癥積 滿腹。蘇恭。明目益聲，潤肌膚，利大腸，推陳致新，去欬嗽肺痿，鬼氣 痓病。停久者，服之佳。恐冷，則和熱湯服。藏器。止勞渴，潤心肺，療 血悶熱狂，撲損，瘀血在内運絶，止吐血鼻衄，皮膚皴裂，難産，胎衣不 下，蛇犬咬。大明。滋陰降火甚速。震亨。殺蟲解毒，療瘧、中暍。時珍。

“Control. Alternating sensations of cold and heat with headache. Warmth qi. That of boys is especially good. Bie lu. It controls chronic cough with rising qi and loss of voice. Also, concretion-illness1306 accumulation with a feeling of abdominal fullness. Su Gong. It clears the eyes and boosts one’s voice. It moistens muscles and skin, and opens the passage through the large intestine. It pushes out what is old, and lets arrive what is new. It eliminates cough with a loss of lung function, as well as spasms disease resulting from demon qi. To ingest [human urine] that has been stored over an extended period of time is best. If one has an aversion to cold, he will ingest it mixed with clear hot water. [Chen] Cangqi. It ends exhaustion with thirst. It moistens heart and lung.”

[Tommy Hughes]

Sorry not sure why it left out some of the text, here is my full post:

I thought this may be fun to share on the topic at hand!

From the 16th century (who knows the real timeline) masterpiece in ancient Chinese medicine the Bencao Gangmu, “Compendium of Materia Medica,” by Li shizhen. A huge multivolume set categorizing over 1,800 medicinals and over 11,000 prescriptions. Here is a brief excerpt on Urine from the volume on categorizing medicinals from human substances:

【主治】寒熱頭痛，温氣。童男者尤良。别録。主久嗽上氣失聲，及癥積 滿腹。蘇恭。明目益聲，潤肌膚，利大腸，推陳致新，去欬嗽肺痿，鬼氣 痓病。停久者，服之佳。恐冷，則和熱湯服。藏器。止勞渴，潤心肺，療 血悶熱狂，撲損，瘀血在内運絶，止吐血鼻衄，皮膚皴裂，難産，胎衣不 下，蛇犬咬。大明。滋陰降火甚速。震亨。殺蟲解毒，療瘧、中暍。時珍。

“Control. Alternating sensations of cold and heat with headache. Warmth qi. That of boys is especially good. Bie lu. It controls chronic cough with rising qi and loss of voice. Also, concretion-illness1306 accumulation with a feeling of abdominal fullness. Su Gong. It clears the eyes and boosts one’s voice. It moistens muscles and skin, and opens the passage through the large intestine. It pushes out what is old, and lets arrive what is new. It eliminates cough with a loss of lung function, as well as spasms disease resulting from demon qi. To ingest [human urine] that has been stored over an extended period of time is best. If one has an aversion to cold, he will ingest it mixed with clear hot water. [Chen] Cangqi. It ends exhaustion with thirst. It moistens heart and lung.”

The ancient Chinese were truly masters at categorizing medicinals and differentiating down to the most nuanced properties, such as the difference between 12 year old boy urine and adult urine. HAHA many prescriptions utilized specifically 12 year old boy urine to boil the herbs. The ancients truly observed nature and understood so much more when it came to utilizing natural substances for alchemical and medicinal means. Very interesting!

[Kev]

Thanks for this, Tommy.. What especially jumps out is mixing aged urine with hot water for, I’m assuming, when you “have a chill”.. Since about February, I’ve developed some aversion to cold.. Normally I can work in my garden shirtless on a morning that’s in the 40’s, but at one point, even 50 degrees gave me icicle fingers and I was shivering, even buddled up.. It’s gotten better, to the point that recently I can do the bare skin thing again, but only to a point, where I “catch a chill” and have to come in, bundle up and turn on the heater and stabilize.. Interesting, this seasonal transition.. Might could try some of that hot aged urine tea, see what happens..

Your last paragraph there is so spot on, the way the Chinese figured things out, in such detail and nuance.. It especially speaks to me at this moment because I had a session with my massage therapist earlier today, and he’s a practitioner of multiple modalities, but primarily Tui Na, Chinese massage.. The way he is able to move the energy through my body, and my somatic awareness of it, and his awareness and response to my awareness and response.. Just astonishing.. It was a brilliant session of co-creation, and yet another step along the path of healing and rebalancing a body that’s been wrecked over the years.. It’s brilliant to find someone who can facilitate the literal release of stuck energy fields from your body.. Yay!.. 🤠

[Jena]

HILARIOUS..THE NORMIE IS OVERWHELMED!!!

[Kev]

Very good intro to UT, and questions addressed in a Q&A.. (1h 40min)..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_KhQGlBDI

[Kev]

Two & a half hour conversation between Alec and Mike Cardamone — on urine as a homeopathic feedback loop, water fasting, detoxing, energetics of food, how we’ve been poisoned with food, etc.. Lots of juicy bits in this convo.. Recommended!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HIpzLTVE5E

[Mike]

Nice, Mike is connected to much of this world through Alfa Vedic during Covid. He hit me up when he left his marketing job due to the covidiot erectus going on there in the Bay Area at that time and the rest was history…now look at him on big podcasts and stuff!

[Kev]

Can’t even begin to tell you how everything he said, and his foundational principles, are just about exactly mine, especially with UT.. never heard anyone else have the view and sense as I do on that.. and a bit subversive too, and comically snarky when necessary.. love it..

Gonna be looking for this guy, wherever he is.. Probably not YT.. Hey, have you & Barre ever chatted with him on Alfacast??

[Mike]

Pretty sure this is Mike’s first interview. He’s been to Music & Sky and I’ve worked with him on projects for years so I know him well personally, great guy! I listened to this on my trail run today and really enjoyed it! I am actually planning on doing a urine fast before I head to Mexico for Anarchapulco and will be mostly drinking my pee while there.

We did do a shivambu Alfacast with Erik Casano awhile back!

[Kev]

Ah, okay.. I heard Alec say Mike had a great channel and he likes his videos, or whatnot.. will poke around and see though..

And hey, good plan on the urine fast.. that’s quite an inspiration for me to adopt it again.. I had known about UT since the mid-90’s, dabbled a bit, but not much, and in recent times was considering it, and experimenting somewhat, up to the point that YT offered your convo with Erik Casano as one to watch.. It was pivot, as I had recently developed nasty skin “cancer” (diagnosed) growing out of my spine.. UT (without fasting) knocked it down pretty quickly, and it faded almost to nothing over time..

It’s come back recently, though clearly not the conventional idea of “cancer”.. something much different.. not sure that, but have my theories on it, as it’s literally emanating from my spinal cord and tingly with numbing in my extremities, when it flares up.. Anyway, the fact that UT is so effective indicates a detox process (with my main theory being that it’s a neuro-toxic Pharma drug lodged in my spinal cord).. and that’s why also your convo with Lisa Strbac, and the mention of Jensen’s work on detoxing drug layers really got me going, and making homeopathics out of Pharma drugs to get the body to detox them.. (Barre said he did that, which is awesome)..

🤸‍♂️

[Andrea]

I just found this discussion.. interesting I was curious to try UT. Recent to me (not sure exactly how recent in reality) Alec Zeck mentioned on one of his podcast being around someone who was doing UT a lot and was getting “high” off it. I don’t remember who he was talking to unfortunately. I’ll check out the videos people mentioned in the discussion and I did get a book about a year ago but don’t recall who the author was. I did hear somewhere that you can also use the urine in your coffee enema’s. I don’t know that I have much in terms of notes as to what that achieves, how much to put in etc but there was in theory some benefits. if I happen to find the info I’ll add it here.

[Kev]

I’ve heard of urine enemas, though not combined with coffee.. I’ve yet to try it.. Don’t know much beyond the fact that urine is antiseptic, and can thus cleanse the intestinal tract, to the degree it gets up in there.. and since it’s a homeopathic feedback loop that feeds your information back into your body, my thought is absorption through the rectum is merely a direct upload into the bloodstream, bypassing stomach acid, and may be quite potent.. worth trying, though I’m not necessarily compelled at this time personally.. still worth considering..

And I’ve heard others refer to urine enemas with both fresh urine and aged/fermented urine.. The latter is “alive” with bacterial culture, and full of your own stem cells that have replicated into the millions.. And in the convo here, he says that aged urine should be done in a sealed jar.. That’s contrary to my experience, actually.. I let it breathe (with a sprouting jar lid), and let air circulate.. can’t imagine sealing it off.. so maybe it can be done both ways.. sealing it up makes me think it would “go bad”..

And it’s odd though, too, the way Alec consistently refers to aged urine as being foul and disgusting smelling.. It’s not.. It’s quite pleasant, sweet-smelling (like any ferment, such as beer or mead), and the taste is quite pleasant too, and sometimes on the sweet side.. It’s easy to think it’ll smell like a public restroom, but it’s not that.. that’s decomposition.. if done correctly, fermentation is infusion of life, and enhancement of life-force, not decomposition.. Bathing in urine (fermented especially) doesn’t make you smell nasty.. it’s pleasant, and energizing, especially when done in the sun, and others don’t notice a “bad smell” or whatever.. 🙂

[Andrea]

Ok maybe I made up the combo of coffee + urine but it seemed like a good idea in my mind😂but the urine enema is legit for a suggestion. I listened to Alec’s podcast with Mike and it was interesting and elaborated on it as well as telling that getting high story again.

[Kev]

I’ve never gotten to the level of a pleasant high, but early on I went in that direction a few times.. which is to say it “hit me”, for lack of better words, and I felt something a little trippy maybe, but moreso in the vein of disorientation and lightness, not necessarily in a good way.. anyone, if they all of a sudden felt that way, would probably be a bit alarmed, not tripped out..

Now that I think about it — urine + coffee might be like rocket fuel.. 🤣 🚀

[Dorothy]

I’m wondering if anyone has tryed using urine drops in eyes to treat cataracts and/or improve vision?

Thanks

Dorothy

[Kev]

I haven’t, but I recall Gerald saying he’s used it as eye drops.. haven’t seen him around in a while.. 🤔

[Mike]

I’ve heard of it working wonders! I have used my urine for ‘infections’ and it works every time.

[Kev]

I’m looking forward to sungazing again, actually.. Fell out of practice, and with the cloudy skies this time of year…. no longer a thing.. So maybe urine in the eyes and then immediately look into the sun??.. Lol.. 😱

[hugh]

Interesting discussion and shared UT experiences here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsXYFIdE5jw

Could that be why the statues are always shown peeing?

[Kev]

There are *so* much of these past history videos I wanna get to!.. I just don’t have the time!.. But I have it tabbed.. might get to it eventually.. thanks Hugh!.. 🙂

[Mike]

Drank my pee every morning during this recent week in Mexico and never got even a smidgeon of sickness or an iffy feeling (others did)… I also noticed the coconut flavoring from all the coconut creme drinks I had every day which was nice 😃

[Kev]

Ha!.. I was *just* thinking about this this morning, wondering how this went for you.. How many days did you UT fast before departure??.. and yes, the flavor transfer.. 😄

[Author]

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