Health & Wellness

[Kev]

Hey y’all.. I wanted to put up an inquiry about Essiac, to see what others know about it, and what their experience has been.. I discovered it about 30 years ago, but have never used it..

I’m dealing with the recurrence of what was confirmed to be “cancer”, with possibly the onset of another type, which appears quite different, and is textbook.. I originally [almost entirely] wiped it out last year with UT, but it never fully entirely dissipated, and is clearly something deeper.. Additionally, I’m dealing with a significant degree of kidney failure, which began 3 months ago.. I’ve been trying different approaches therapeutically, but am admittedly “all over the place” trying to figure this out, especially with the kidneys and liver & lymph.. So now I’m thinking about Essiac.. What I’m looking for here is knowledge and experience and conversation, *not* links to websites and product pages, and any kind of goose chases looking for information..

Upfront questions include: should I use Sheep Sorrel *root*, and not the herb (as is recommended per Barre)??.. and is the root something I can find??

Can other therapies be employed at other times during the day, during Essiac therapy?? (which I understand to be recommended as 2 ounces of a tea brewed with a particular method, to a certain concentration, 2x/day)..

Can Essiac help with kidneys, or help synergize a particular kidney formula, and what might that be??.. any ideas??

And can Chaparral be used as an adjunct, or possibly even added to the 4-herb Essiac??.. I’m *very* sympathetic to Chaparral, and as a cancer herb, I can imagine using it between Essiac doses..

Currently I know a few things about herbs, and what to use for liver & kidneys, etc., and it’s really wide-ranging.. The Chinese herbs I was prescribed failed to have any effect.. It’s only when I use targeted liver herbs that my kidneys may actually give a good filtrate..

I know, I know, this is all connected together, and goes rather deep into core emotional traumas and the psyche and all that.. I got that perspective in spades, and I’ve proven it out here & there.. With this current situation, thinking it away is a far cry at this point, and so the need for material medicine.. Homeopathy has made no effect.. Neither have tissue salts (even Calcium sulfate, Sodium sulfate, and Sodium chloride)..

What say you??

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[Lobo Blanco]

Hey Kev, I know zero about Essiac. I do believe once the kidneys back up, then the lymphatic system, it opens the door for everything else, basically organ failure, tumors, things they like to call cancer which is basically damaged tissue.

I have to admit, since going 100% raw and primarily for the moment only fruit/berries/melon, I feel better most the time, even though my kidneys are not filtering, I have hope, I feel like I’m not getting worse and eventually I’ll have some extra $$$ to get onto the herbs which will help breakdown/dissolve and get moving that slurry in my lymphatic system.

In the end, for us to follow any protocol, it’s important it resonates. Dr. Morse’s diet makes sense, I hope his herbs are as good as he says. I believe in NGM but I also believe the wrong diet can cause health issues. Like Morse says, chemistry, there’s two sides to it, acidic or alkaline. It’s pretty clear where cancer thrives and the more I consider our diet, the more I believe so many answers and truths are there.

I love my meat, seafood and pasta’s but…I’m sick. When I eat delicious fruit, I know it’s like medicine, it makes me always feel good. Why do I wrestle with that? It’s such an easy and simple diet. I make a meal for me, start to finish, 5 minutes…for my son, never less then an hour.

Just my thoughts…whenever I hear the “C” word, the VERY first thing I think is diet, acid, clogged lymphatic system.

Good luck brother….I know you’re searching for your way back to health~ J

[Dale]

Teas are very important. The problem lies in the water. Most water is dead. Need to vortex it and structure it. Is a process too all water picks up negative energies from its source to its destination – IE your stomach. Distilling water can get rid of most of the negative energies. Then a bit of sea salt in vortexer. Only need a pinch. A few ways to structure water but must be done before consumption. Simple reason is that if you drink dead water. Your body has to spend energy to make it biologically useful. And it takes a lot of energy.

So the final tea has more energy and the herbs are far more effective.

I was working on the Longevity Xprize application and doing some research on Chelation Therapy. In the book I bought it gave the story of the Angina operation.

The quacks were trying to prove it worked and did a placebo controlled study. They did the real operation on 50 percent of the participants. They did a pretend or sham operation on the other half. They just opened up the chest and closed it up again and did nothing.

After they woke up the quacks told them the operation was a complete success. When they studied the results the ones with the sham operation fared much better than the real operation.

The quacks attributed this to the placebo effect. And when people found out the angina operation no longer offered.

But the quacks are wrong about the placebo effect in this case. Why?

This is a very important point to remember on the road to be a real master quack.

I will give 3 chances on why….

[Lobo Blanco]

Water, good points. My source is a spring, straight from spring to my glass, I think that water is pretty alive and needs no further tampering with, thoughs?

I’m not clear on your placebo question/challenge.

I believe for some, dis ease can be like a placebo, you can think yourself healthy or unhealthy. So there’s that. I have seen masters get ill. There are a few tapped in people in the Smith River area and I have heard many times over the years they get ill.. maybe from being sprayed on or ???

And if it were just about mind over matter, then all these supplements and herbs and such, honestly, they’d be unnecessary…we could just tell our bodies to get better and bamm, done.

If someone preaches mind over matter, NGM, and then sells supplements, are they not a contradiction to their own teachings?

For me, yes, if I were a master maybe I could levitate and grow body parts, heal anything with my mind, etc. I know a lot of great healers but I’ve yet to see one do ANY of those things. Maybe they’re out there but I have not met them.

In my journey right now, man it can be so slow and at times challenging, but I’m feeling more and more my diet needs to change and the way I process HUGE stressful situations, I need to find ways to better deal with that. I never wanted to be ill, I never expected to be ill, when I became so ill I only wanted to sleep 18 hours a day and was constantly cold no mater how much clothing I wore or blankets I got under, only then did I concede to he fact maybe? something was going on.

I really do not have the time or luxury of being sick. So what’s my point? I guess I’m saying I believe there can be many factors which in the end may result in us entering a state of less then optimum health. Some if it can come from attitude, some from environment, some from diet.

I look around everyday and I see many American’s SICK and most of that is poor diet choices. I was in the hospital a few months back in the ER, they rolled a guy in after me, every bit of 350 plus pounds, chain smoker, on oxygen at home, living on crap food and honestly, he was healthier than me and might possibly outlive me, WTF? Organic for over 20 years, all home cooked meals, lots of fresh air, sunshine and activity, good water, WTH?

Talk about knocking me down a few pegs.

Placebo effect…it’s like the words doctors use, cancer, stage this or that, heart failure, chronic this or that…if you didn’t have it before you walked in, good luck not taking it home with you after those appointment’s.

[Dale]

In the same book it mentions that periodically donating blood improves health. Immediately I thought of the Kings magicians who were faced with a sick king. If they couldn’t cure him they would be hung. If he treated the King and he died then he would be drawn and quartered. A no win scenario. His solution was blood letting.

This forces the body to create new blood with new Killer T cells.

Most quacks employ this tactic in one way or another. Chemo – Cut or Burn….

[Kev]

Lobo.. Your point is very good that you have to get the foundational things sorted out first, or at least during the process.. I get that, and as we’ve shared before, I’m at a loss for an approach, with too many ideas and options, and that countertop full of tincture bottles, etc..

I get the acid thing too.. and I tried a fruit diet, but I couldn’t stick with it.. For one thing, my gut fermented really badly.. It was alarming and shocking how fermented my gut became, which isn’t good, in terms of acid production, and it was obviously not healthy.. And with diabetes, the sugar was just too much.. And I’m very veg oriented, and had hardcore cravings for veg.. I went back to that after 2-3 weeks, and have since integrated fruit & veg, and also grains & some plant protein.. I know that’s not best, at all, but it’s what my body instinctually craves..

Cancer loves an acidic environment, and it loves sugar too.. so is no-carb and no fruit sugar a good approach??.. I struggle with that quite a bit..

I’ve started UT again, to a degree, but with “everything else”, just not focused one way or the other.. I’ve been thinking just today of initiating a urine fast, and nothing else, and just see where that takes me, in terms of duration (1, 2, 3 days, whatever).. the idea being a sort of “reset” of my system, and a regroup..

Thanks for chiming in Lobo..

[Lobo Blanco]

I spoke with Dr. Morse yesterday regarding my thing. He was pretty clear, FRUIT is the food our body needs to heal. Grains and protein for people with kidney failure is a HUGE no no.

What’s taken me a while to sort out was how much and how to handle the cravings. The more true I stick to my diet the easier the cravings get. I do 2 full blenders a day of fruit I froze. Typically grapes, blueberries and a banana. I do add figs and such. I snack on dry and fresh fruit.

As far as the diabetes, again, Dr. Morse says it takes some a few days or a week or so but your body will adjust to the fructose and level out.

In regards to the gut and things fermenting in there, I’ve again heard Dr. Morse say that’s old terrain behaving according to your old diet.

I think for guys like us, one of the bigger obstacles is financing all this. I feel you brother. Sitting with stage 5 kidney failure for 6 months and $$$ being the difference between getting the care and meds I need or not…it sucks.

Good luck brother. I would say keep watching as many of Dr. Morse’s video’s as possible, eventually it all comes together and the path is pretty straight forward and simple.

Diabetes, I know zero about it other than diet should cure it and the cancer, yep, loves an acidic environment. I don’t think the body can survive long without sugar and the electrolytes but from what I hear fructose is so much easier on the body than carbs and such, less trash generated so if you have kidney issues, protein and carbs are feeding that issue.

To heal damaged cells our body needs super clean electrified foods which are easy on the system and charged and create minimum waste and or inflammation.

That’s my thoughts. I watched a friend of mine bounce from one thing to another and another and another…he never sat still and never gave stuff the time it needed and sadly, it cost him his life.

I’m trying to learn from his experience. He had some $$$ so he went the distance. He bought a Rife machine, less then a month later didn’t feel it did enough fast enough, stopped using it. Went to Barre, didn’t feel he was getting well quick enough, went to a detox/fasting center in S Africa. Was there, did a 30 day fast, didn’t feel it did enough and chased some healer to NY and then CA.

Heard about a shaman in Portugal, went there, and so on and so forth, eventually he passed. His lesson I believe was to slow down, be patient with his body, and quit demanding so much of it. I am guilty of having similar knee jerk reactions. Taking in so much info my brain is overloaded.

Maybe for me the process of healing will not be a straight line up. Most my life anything I did went that way, straight up. I’m spoiled from my actions often resulting in immediate reactions.

For the sake of my recovery I am trying my best to take the good days with the bad. I know it’s often darkest before the light.

I hope you find your way out of this…KISS, keep it simple son 😉 if at all possible.

Cheers brother~

[Kev]

Glad to hear it went well with Dr. Morse, and it sounds like you spoke on my behalf, so endless appreciation for that..

I heard him say that fructose from fruit doesn’t spike blood sugar in diabetics, and honestly, I just rolled my eyes.. I can have a glucose reading of 100 and then eat a banana, or an apple, then my glucose goes to somewhere around 270-350.. But, the idea that over time, the body will adjust to it really resonates with me.. It sounds like an all-or-nothing scenario as well (i.e. a fruit-only diet), as experience shows that, otherwise, fruit is like pure sugar of any variety..

It sounds like if fruit fructose is your only fuel source, then the spikes in glucose aren’t so severe, at the very least, and possibly a combination of some adjustment or reworking or reorienting of the system, where it just doesn’t do that.. Don’t know how I would explain that though..

But the readjustments in the gut terrain sound to have something to do with it.. I gave it about 3 weeks and my gut fermented so badly, it was just horrible.. And given that fermentation produces acid, I had to bail on it.. It took about 2 weeks after that, going without fruit, for the fermentation to [apparently] clear out..

But I’mma give all this a go again.. I do wonder about vegetables though, too.. With my constitution, I really really need veg.. And I heard Morse say that on a fruitarian diet that some veg here & there is okay.. he kinda shrugged it off, as if no big deal.. for him, that strikes me as telling, as he can be strongly oriented in the way he does things..

And it’s true – acid & sugar – what cancer loves..

I would also say that it doesn’t help that I’m in a foul mood and full of rage at this point, and have been for months.. But that’s actually the work I’ve been doing all this year, and I’m just processing all this out my system, and none of this is disconnected.. It’s very telling that when this inguinal hernia that I have (which I keep strapped down and held in-place) starts to wiggle around and act up, and I feel that discomfort, I launch into rage and frustration, and experience these epic emotional meltdowns, on the daily.. It would help 1000% if I could just get that tightened up and resolved so I can actually *function* physically.. Some days I can’t even walk around and maneuver my body because of this, and it’s like having cinder blocks tied to my ankles, metaphorically speaking.. It’s like an energetic cage is tightly pressing on my body and my field, like a damn walking prison..

And yes, the $$$ thing.. I think I mentioned that elsewhere, and as much as I’d *love* to launch into a tirade about the elitism and opportunism in the natural health world, I’ll save it.. But um, I just did there, didn’t I??.. Lol.. 😉

[Lobo Blanco]

I think Dr. Morse says when your kidneys are like mine, 100% fruit is best but, small amounts of certain RAW vegies are ok especially if your kidneys are filtering. Also he said if needed some vegie juicing is also ok.

As far as the fermenting, seems like grains would also do that, I mean a lot of booze is made from grain…so that’s one to watch but yeah, sugar.

You know, you can always write Dr. Morse’s staff, mention you don’t have the $$$ for a consultation but you are interested in purchasing some of his herbs. I’d explain how just fruit set off your stomach and ask for a little advice.

You can also submit your questions to his podcast in hopes he’ll answer it pretty quickly and right there you’ll have access to his thoughts regarding your situation to the point you can hunt down some of the herbs on your own and save some $$$.

I do my own tea, it runs $10 a bag, at the Morse shop it’s $35 I think. You have some good knowledge and access to herbal info and supplies, you could accomplish a lot for 1/3 the price easily on your own…I’m not there yet and I’m sitting in a place I can’t experiment too much on myself as there’s a very small, if existent at all, margin for error.

I’d really encourage you to watch a few more of his video’s pertaining to all you’ve mentioned, the answers are there and hopefully they are applicable to you.

Cheers Kev, have a good weekend, hope you’re feeling beer soon…

[Aron]

The root should absolutely be used for Essiac since it contains emodin. I would look for a formula that contains at least 20-30% sheep sorrel root. It grows prolifically in the pacific northwest. We often harvested the rot when I was on Vancouver Island. Essiac can be used with kidney support. I liked the previous comment on structured water and I’d think that would be very supportive.

Those that use herbs for cancer support say that chaparral can induce a reversal of multidrug resistance in cancers cell and support those cancers specifically induced by viruses. I don’t believe too much in that anymore (especially around viruses) but if you are being called to it, chaparral is a great herb. Just be warned, I’d store it in multiple bags since it smells so much.

Other great things that I have used in my practice for those going through cancer are German New Medicine, Mistletoe (Viscum album) SQ injections, etc. Hope this helps!

[Kev]

Yes, it does help, quite a bit.. I was hoping you’d chime in, Aron..

I hadn’t yet got my bearings on Sheep Sorrel, as in identifying the wild plant, and it’s obviously gonna be easy to spot, from the unique leaf.. I live close to a large urban forest, so I’m gonna go up there at some point.. can’t say I’ve noticed it wild in my ‘hood though..

And the aroma of Chaparral is one of the things (the first thing) I love about it!.. I’m very sympathetic to it..

And the SQ injections you do, are you talking herbal preparations??, as in water decoctions??, or something else??..

And thanks for the reminder on Misteltoe.. I remember that, but so much information, I just lose track of a lot of it..

Thanks!

[Aron]

The mistletoe is a homeopathic preparation. If interested, PAAM has more information. Many of the doctors wrote a book called Mistletoe and the Emerging Future of Integrative Oncology thats worth a read.

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