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[Sarah Rivkin]

After having an old amalgam filling replaced with composite this past August, the tooth was slightly sensitive to hard biting. Thought it was too high and had it buffed some. But it started to become painful about three weeks ago. Have been using various self treatment (herbs, essential oils, CS, CD, DMSO, etc.) to avoid or resolve possible infection. Pain moved down a couple days ago despite that with some swelling while tooth is less sensitive. Dentist yesterday saw a small blister inside my cheek near that tooth which he says indicates infection. Recommended treatment is root canal or extraction. I prefer neither. Learning about the difficulty if not impossibility of resolving it naturally and the dangers if left untreated conventionally. Would love any advice here. Some dental coverage if in network, and limited $ resources if not or for procedures not included.

Never had dental pain before in this tooth or any others. Thanks!

• This discussion was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by  Sarah Rivkin.
• This discussion was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by  Sarah Rivkin.

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[Sarah Rivkin]

More. Not extremely painful. Less today than two days ago. Dull ache. But spoke just now with dentist and recommended to take antibiotics and have an extraction for this. I avoid antibiotics, and I already have a space from an extraction last July on the other side. All dental issues stemming from childhood- given antibiotics too often. ?

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[Hulda]

I hear you on the tooth pain, Sarah. I had such in a lower molar for about a year with an abscess first on the lingual side, then on the buccal. Two “holistic” dentists and a “holistic” endodontist said root was cracked & infected, no way to cure, must be pulled. One of the dentists conceded that there’s no way, really, to tell if a
root is cracked beyond what Xrays show – and they showed non. (In other words, they don’t
really know!)

A total of 3 dentists over the past 40+ years have “gotten” 5 of my teeth (2 impacted wisdoms and their upper partners, 1 upper molar). I was determined not to “lose” another. Did daily oil pulling, rinsing with a baking soda solution and warm saline. After about a year the pain was gone. I take that as a sign of health 🙂

Good luck!

[Sarah Rivkin]

Thanks Hulda! There are pressure cracks in the tooth. from the large filling and evidently I clench and grind at night. Gee would have gone in for a night guard decades ago if I knew.

I do use sea salt in natural spring water I collect for a rinse. I keep that in the bathroom and just use that to rinse. And the rinse I made with food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide with several essential oils beneficial for dental health. Plus all I added to my protocol to resolve this.

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[Hulda]

Sarah, I’ve had about a dozen nightguards over the years for my clenching that has cracked 2 or 3 teeth. I always felt more tense and clampy wearing them. So you won’t get a nightguard recommendation from me LOL

Sound like your on it, girl!

[Sarah Rivkin]

Thank you again! Great to know. I had a resistance to getting one when recommended recently thinking it would drive me nuts with discomfort to wear.

Meanwhile much much less discomfort today. Decided to not take the antibiotics. Continuing with my protocol and some added suggestions from here. I’m determined to keep the tooth intact.

One favorite protocol is having the sun beam right on that area. When I can catch it amidst the accelerated chemtrail onslaught. In addition to the Seattle overcast having returned since yesterday which can last for days here.

[Hulda]

Congrats on eschewing antibiotic poisons!

I really like your having the sun beam on the area of concern. I’ll try that too, as my molar (#18 or 19) is sounding again (in empathy with your #31?).

[Penny]

I would get started on oregano oil internally right away. Switch from flossing to a water pik, I like the Burst pik (it’s my opinion that flossing just results mostly in food getting jammed down further into the gum line while water flossing actually removes it) oil pull with a combo of organic sesame oil and clove essential oil. Massage nightly before bed with a paste made of organic turmeric powder and water. (The video below talk about how to do this) Also, avoid sugar and maltodextrin. On the effected side of the face do warm compresses a couple times a day, you want to increase blood flow to the area. Warmth & massage are important. Brush with an xylitol based teeth cleanser. After eating anything do a swish with sea salt and clean water. Take a few minutes while doing your compress imagining your tooth healthy. When you go to bed at night say something like “when I wake up in the morning my tooth will be healed, everyday it will get better” and see light flowing to it. Take a whole food vitamin C such as AV’s illumined C or mega foods c.

If you go back I would go to a different dentist, it sounds like he messed up and now wants to charge you to fix his mistake. Root canals are really bad for us, it’s a procedure that guts the tooth and then anchors in the dead tooth artificially, extraction would be preferable to a canal if you have to choose. If the CbD isn’t handling the pain, you can do white willow bark. It seems to work very well for mouth pain.

I don’t know if you are up for it, if it were me I would fast. Fasting activates our innate cleaning ability.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7H-HYq_Is&pp=ygUVcmVncm93IGd1bXMgbmF0dXJhbGx5

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[David]

Dear Sarah,

Thank you for sharing and I am sorry to hear about the trouble you have been experiencing since having your restoration replaced.

I look forward to reading Dr Lando’s reflections on this.

A few things to consider in addition to previous comments….

• I am assuming that the tooth is a posterior/back tooth? These teeth (molars) receive the greatest force in the mouth during chewing, etc.
• Direct restorations (i.e. fillings) should only be placed in small to medium size holes/cavities and where cavities are larger/certain size, that indirect (i.e. lab made) restorations (e.g. porcelain, etc), should be placed for an array of reasons.
• When you bite/clench down and release, the direct (composite) restoration will ‘flex’ at a different degree to the tooth. Also, certain parts of the tooth may be ‘unsupported’ and flex to a greater degree than other parts of the tooth = further adding to the internal stresses, and every structure has its limits/threshold as to what it can withstand.
• Should symptoms arise &/or persist in the way that you are describing, they are often indicative of a hairline &/or full thickness vertical crack down the tooth (crown-foot interface). It is the flexing (on compression &/or release) which would fire up such nerve endings (situated in the dentine, periodontal ligament, etc) informing your system that there is something wrong.
• Sometimes, so long as the occlusion (bite) of the freshly placed restoration has been checked immediately after placement in an array of directions and are found to be sound (i.e. no occlusal interferences when speaking, chewing, etc), AND when the tooth fails to settle, then the tooth ‘may’ require placement of an indirect restoration (crown, onlay) to ensure full coronal coverage of the tooth, meaning full protection over the part that you bite down on to prevent flexing at the tooth-restoration interface/junction.
• However…the symptoms that you are now describing are now indicative of what might be referred to as a periapical abscess, meaning, all or part of the tooth has effectively ‘died off’ (context) and that the body then does what it is good at in clearing up the terrain by breaking down the ensuing tissue. However, sometimes (when the issue is persistent/ongoing) there is a persistent or cyclical build-up of tissue (inc. fluids) etc., which as well as often cyclically being painful to touch, in an attempt to relieve pressure/establish drainage, the built up fluid follows the path of least resistance, e.g. you suddenly see a small blister adjacent to the tooth, and potentially associated bad breath or taste, indicative of certain anaerobic bacteria. This would usually indicate that the area is ‘draining’.
• I practiced dentistry for sixteen years until a few years ago and I would be happy to have a free telephone or Zoom conversation with you to sound ideas if that might support you in any way? Letting you know that on a time difference front I currently reside in Australia. Also, you could also ping me a copy of any digital images you may have of your tooth, etc.
• Also, should you have the tooth removed, that brings up a completely different set of factors that need to be considered including the potential for placement of a ceramic (non-metal) implant.
• Also, remembering that each tooth is (effectively) an organ which threads into meridian systems and their associated organs, which need to be considered and explored, and nutritional supplementation such as tissue salts, ….etc, etc.
• In the US, I have limited contacts. I would consider checking out… https://www.blodgettdentalcare.com/meet-dr-blodgett/. You can also follow him on Ig etc., to get a sense of his approach and what informs it.
• If I don’t hear from you, wishing you the very best with things. Warm wishes, David.

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[Sarah Rivkin]

Thanks David! I will ask for copies of x-rays of that tooth. Would love to chat further. I suspected this may have been triggered by the recently replaced amalgam to composite filling being too high.

The link you put leads to this exact page.

[maryschurr]

@renegademystic Here you go…..
https://www.blodgettdentalcare.com/

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[Sarah Rivkin]

Hi David,

Seems most has possibly been healed. Blister gone. Low grade fever chills and a couple days of fatigue gone. Pain gone. Some discomfort still chewing some things, especially like a raspberry seed getting there. No discomfort biting down. The dentist did buff more down on the filling there, which I suspect caused the whole problem (?). He says infection will return and I should have the tooth (#31) extracted. I am intent on keeping the tooth if possible and safe. From your experience is it possible the tooth is healing and will continue to do so following my protocol? Or as some say, once there’s an abscess, the tooth is dead? I never had the bad breath and taste as said is common. Never extreme sharp unbearable pain as can be typical. Used Kratom a few times at its worst. Any advice and suggestions? Still have it evaluated by an oral surgeon? Cone beam scan?

Thanks! ?

[Sarah Rivkin]

Thanks for the fantastic intelligent replies and suggestions! Some I have been doing. Someone suggested Black Seed oil to use topically as well. I’m thinking to try gerry rigging a castor oil compress to stay on all night.

Forgot to say it’s a molar, #31. Had the initial work done by a dentist in La this past Summer, supposedly world (realm?) renown . Seeing a different dentist here in Seattle. He prescribed the antibiotics today and recommended extraction asap. Too large of a filling for the tooth to support a crown after root canal which I will not get anyway.

I feel it’s healing, but unsure what risk to take in not taking the pharmaceutical (to destroy my gut flora while still needing an extraction), continuing with my protocol plus some, and trying to delay, or prevent altogether extraction if possible. Only a slight dull ache now in the area. But can less pain in the tooth now indicate now dead pulp inside? I trust my body’s ability to heal. I hear it’s not as certain with dental infections though.

[Sarah Rivkin]

Much less discomfort today. Still have an ongoing (low grade fever?) all week causing me to feel cold. Napped much of yesterday. I’m not usually a napper.

Sound like a normal healing process as opposed to cause for concern?

[Krista]

Hi Sarah! I just went through this with my doggo… Here are some additional suggestions I came across that have not yet been mentioned: Clear Heat by Health Concerns taken internally (TCM Formula that treats “toxic heat” symptoms, like abscesses), topical bentonite clay on abscessed tooth and gum… can try mixing it with sea salt to draw out), warm epsom salt and baking soda baths followed by quick cold shower to flush lymph, ADV recommended urine therapy (mouth wash and potentially internal) and some recommend starting very slow internally if not currently part of your routine, ADV’s DMSO + clove tincture for gums, Alfa Vedic Zeolite (along with their C for gums and their tooth serum).

Hulda, that is fantastic you cleared your tooth pain! Sending you lots of support, Sarah.

[Sarah Rivkin]

Thanks Krista!

I have been including some of those. Including adding some urine to morning oil pulling. ? Seems I’m on top of it. Abscess is gone. No pain, even none biting down now. Barely any more discomfort chewing. Still following protocol including many suggestions received in the replies here. ?

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[Krista]

That’s wonderful, Sarah! I’m so glad to hear that, and thank you for sharing ?

[Kelly]

Are you familiar with homeopathy &/or muscle testing/dowsing?

There are a few remedies that may be useful and would hopefully help you avoid antibiotics…

There is an online materia medica that you can access at materiamedica.info – you’ll be able to bring up the ‘picture’ of the remedy by searching for it. There are many of the classical homeopaths materia medicas available on that site so if you can’t find a specific remedy with one, you can look for it in another. You can also compare the different ‘pictures’ per homeopath. Essentially, in utilizing like curing like, the remedy that is most like you (in all respects for the greatest benefit, in acutes you can go for more specific though that’s more of an Indian type (Banerji) instead of classical, each serving their own purpose, I digress). So you’ll want to look at a few different remedies and see which fits your experience best. I like to double check my findings with dowsing…

Hepar Sulph is generally considered the ‘go to’ for infections but it is not the only option and at different potencies will have different results (low potency like 6c and under, will reabsorb the infection, higher, 30c up, will push the infection out) – if it’s already blown you can add silicea to aid the clean out. Then likely follow with calc sulph in a 30c.

Hypericum for nerve pain

Belladonna for red heat, inflammation

Staphsagria for sensitivity and pain especially after dental work

Ledum if there were any punctures during the procedure

This is just an overview but I hope it will help to see that there are many great alternatives to antibiotics.

Even ‘plussing’ tissue salts will work: add a couple silicea and or calc sulph pellets to a jar (different jar/remedy) of filtered/distilled/well water, stir with force (hit the sides with the spoon to percuss and activate), then dump it out and add more water, percuss, dump etc etc (you can dowse/muscle test how many times) on the final, you’ll add the water and percuss and then take a spoonful as a dose every few minutes. I’d dowse this too but here are general instructions: if it’s intense you’ll want to do it every 5 minutes, if not intense then every 15 minutes for 4 doses then every hour for 4 doses. You’ll want to stop as soon as you experience any change in symptom picture (you feel better or something changes)…

I’m not a pro but have had great success treating my family and animals with acute situations so lmk if you have any questions and I’ll help however I’m able.

[Sarah Rivkin]

Thanks Kelly!

I’m familiar with muscle testing and dowsing but feel I never got the hang of it very well. I have been taking Cell Salt combo and Hypericum, and Belladonna when I needed it. I do have Hepar Sulph. Calc. so adding that. I have Calc. Phos. but not Calc. Sulph, nor any of the others. But overwhelming to always have something else to buy. I think I’m on top of it with my current protocol. Almost no soreness in that area now. Normal energy today without needing to nap, like nearly all day Thursday ?. I’m not napper. Normal temperature without needing two sweaters, and space heater on additionally.

Even got to the (actually named Magnificent) forest today for a much needed walk and barefoot time. Pressed the affected side of my face against moss on a tree. ?

Still thinking it might be good to have it “officially” evaluated to make sure it’s healing and the tooth isn’t just now dead inside.

[Kelly]

Wonderful! Glad it feels like it’s clearing ? Nature therapy always helps

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