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[Stavros Vrahnos]

I have had pain in both knees for many years and getting progressively worse to the point where hiking and ecstatic dancing which i love is now almost impossible to do. Just a couple of weeks ago i got a ruptured bakers cyst on my left knee [the more challenged of the two] and could not put any pressure on it at all prompting me to see an Orthopedic knee specialist and after x rays the diagnosis is very arthritic knees with a couple of bone spurs and slightly torn meniscus on both knees. He suggested that orthoscopic surgery would have minimal results based on how bad my arthritis is and basically a bone on bone situation, [more pronounced on the medial side]. Knee replacement was suggested for consideration in the future depending on how active i want to be. Toning and building strength on all leg muscles which are kind of weak while taking natural anti inflammatory orally and topically was suggested and to reevaluate in 3 months.

Western belief is, nothing could be done to reverse arthritis or rebuilt Cartlidge but i don’t agree. My expertise on this is limited and i am very open to suggestions. I have just started taking Boswellia/Curcumin orally, DMSO with virgin olive as a carrier oil and experimenting with castor oil, turpentine, comfrey, and frankincense oil topically, thank you in advance

Discussion

[Sonya]

Hiya, I have similar issues and if you join the Athletics and Fitness group there is a Strength Vs Mobility thread with some useful info. This is Barre’s reply to me on that thread:

Every joint issue without exception involves muscle divisions in the involved area literally offline. As with any electrical system there are circuit breaker systems to protect organs, tissues etc that all muscles share by way of common neuro-meridian circuits. Since muscles are superficial and less vital to life than deeper organ systems the body shunts all available resources to life-sustaining area in the event of circuit overload, and accomplishes this by turning off related muscle divisions. These switched of muscles are identified only thru skilled isolation and testing of every muscle division in the affected joint. Most often injuries occur due to pre-existing joint instabilities due to these compromised muscles leaving deeper ligaments & cartilage vulnerable to damage. Rehabilitation will be tenuous or temporary unless all muscles are brought back on-line. Treatment then requires assessment of all components in that circuit to reflect every level of physiology from etheric to mechanical and everything in-between. The circuit itself must be isolated no different than going thru a data-retrieval process on your computer. Treatment must then involve any modality(s) to treat the cause(s) triggering the breaker switch in the first place. Once muscles are on-line other tissue treatments and rehab exercises will have chance. This is the realm of neuro-based Clinical Kinesiology, but not plug and play muscle-testing systems that do not have the ability to track priorities and proper sequential treatment. There are still a handful of such practitioners, so do some research and perhaps you’ll find someone in your area.

Also, if you do a search there is a nice long Alfacast on arthritis. Hope this helps!

[maryschurr]

Wonder about the AlfaCast on arthritis that he is speaking of? Over the next few days, I’ll see if I can locate that. Anyone else remember this one?

[Sonya]

Hi Mary, I think this must be the one I listened to 😊

https://youtu.be/Mz1K6oEbbng?si=qS8_Lq1rrFZ6KAt4

[maryschurr]

@Slinkymalinkey , Thank you! I’ve had a bit going on and didn’t have a chance to search. I may take a look later in the week at this.🙏

[barre]

Hi Stravos

First off, athr (joint) itis (inflammation of) is a word, which does nothing to explain the myriad of reasons why pain can occur in the joint. Here are some faqs:

1) “arthritis” is not age-related. Elderly seem to have more occurrence because of the cumulative effects of issues not addressed over years;

2) joints are a favored repository for biotoxins when normal elimination channels are impeded or overwhelmed;

3) joints are held intact with proper mechanics by muscles. Every muscle shares a neuro-vascular-meridian-lymph network with organ systems. When organs are stressed the CNS will literally turn off muscles to shunt all available resources to the underlying vital organ causing biomechanical faults and eventual degenerative changes.

These are just a few of the things that need to be addressed, so here’s what a practitioner should do:

1) evaluate all muscle divisions in the involved joint, for example, the primary medial knee support is the sartorius mm/adrenal glands, lateral knee = gluteus medius/reproductive organs, anterior knee = rectus femoris and 3 quad divisions/small intestines, posterior knee = tibialis posterior/adrenals. There are more divisions, but you get the idea. A good Clinical Kinesiologist can evaluate, prioritize and treat.

Treatment will involve organ support via meridian tx, osteopathy, manipulation of related neuro/vascular reflexes, biochemical balancing, emotional clearing, gemmotherapy (plant stem cells) etc. etc.

2) Prolozone injections into the affected knee ie. ozone cocktails.

3) PEMF tx to repolarized injured or damaged connective tissues;

4) Systemic detoxification with weekly coffee enemas or specific spagyric drainage remedies.

This is not a shotgun approach to treatment, but a precise, prioritized and sequential use of modalities as directed per evaluation.

If limited to self care for knees:

1) do daily child pose until you can comfortably sit in a hero’s pose,

2) do therapeutic tubing exercises for every plane of motion ie flexion, extension, adduction abduction,

3) coffee enemas 3X weekly, and

4) utilize adrenal tonics such as Black currant buds aka Ribes Nigrum by UNDA 1/2 tsp 2-3X daily for 1-3 months.

[maryschurr]

@barre , would you consider coming out of retirement?! 😉 I think we all wish we could find someone like you in our areas, but those people seem to be only by word of mouth in small circles. Very difficult to find. And, even then, they do not have the many different areas of experience that you do. I realize that took time. I think it would be wonderful if somehow you had someone to “apprentice” with you to help pass along some of your wisdom since it is in such short supply. In the generations to come that would be so valuable. Very grateful to be here to gather the crumbs that I may understand! 🙏

[barre]

Hey Mary

I have at times considered your suggestion, but there are other variables at play. As for apprenticeships, I did take on 2 such individuals at their requests, and both tapped out at a certain point with the realization that it was a lifetime commitment with no way to finance any such continuous and long-term training.

I attended 3 versions of medical college … conventional, naturpathic and chiropractic followed by years of post-doctoral certifications and extended apprenticeships in disciplines ranging from Japanese meridian therapy, osteopathy to shamanism, and I had to give up much in the process. I mention my experience only to illustrate how medical training was a life-long endeavor in past traditional cultures, and how I attempted to duplicate this in my own way to assemble a complete skill-set.

I believe this would be extremely unrealistic for new practitioners in today’s social and financial world, but here’s the real 2-fold bottom line:

The practice of medicine should be considered a sacred practice and vehicle for self-transformation, as understood in the Alchemical Arts long ago. There comes a time in that process that all hands-on modalities should be abandoned with any and all interventions targeting the etheric mechanisms. This is necessary for the continued evolution of the practitioner, while re-enforcing the understanding of “disease” to those afflicted with the reality that conscious and unconscious self-directed life force is the only possible creative force behind health and disease alike.

In coming months when the growing season abates I’ll be sharing more practical tips for self-care, but the world at large is demanding that we go the next level with less need for “doctors” of every inclination. My vocational goal has always been and still is to become irrelevant.

• This reply was modified 11 months ago by  barre.

[Aron]

I’d love to take on a sacred lifetime commitment to healing. If you ever do take on apprentices, I’d love to hear! As a young person in the field of alchemy, functional medicine, and osteopathy, it’s hard to find good mentors like yourself Dr. Barre.

• This reply was modified 8 months, 1 week ago by  Aron.

[maryschurr]

@barre , one bit of what you said seems to be to go “upstream” even more than most holistic practitioners of all types might say. Taking the “root cause” to a different level. The body is the reflection and the etheric (and perhaps including the astral, depending on how one names the subtle bodies) is where all seems to be created. What many speak of in terms of mind/thought/consciousness etc. Much more difficult today, but probably much more important. I’ll look forward to hearing more on that for sure! Thank you as always for your insights!

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